NewBallsPlease Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 They don't get semi-finals or finals because they're good ffs. It's because who they know. Did you see the state off the ref and assistants that did the Scottish Sunday amateur semi between Dundee and dykehead. I think the central and calley refs have had a poor season this year. That's nonsense Harvey. The referees are appointed on merit. Out of interest, what Central and Caley refs have been poor? I think I'm correct in saying Central referees have been appointed to the East and South of Scotland Cup Finals, an Ayrshire referee has been appointed to the West (Central and Caley wouldn't be considered obviously) a Caley ref done one of the Scottish semi-finals and the Scottish final has yet to be decided (again Central won't be considered). Doesn't seem a bad season for those leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, NewBallsPlease said: That's nonsense Harvey. The referees are appointed on merit. Out of interest, what Central and Caley refs have been poor? I think I'm correct in saying Central referees have been appointed to the East and South of Scotland Cup Finals, an Ayrshire referee has been appointed to the West (Central and Caley wouldn't be considered obviously) a Caley ref done one of the Scottish semi-finals and the Scottish final has yet to be decided (again Central won't be considered). Doesn't seem a bad season for those leagues. Opinions. No problem if you think they're doing well. That's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The instigator Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 9 hours ago, das scooter boy said: Too long in the tooth you mean haha When someone resorts.to personal insults it means they have lost the argument like.your good self As I said come and say hi at next Shortlees game . Im sure you will receive a great welcome Kindest regards Scooter Am loved in shortlees am born and bread there!! why what's going to happen when a say hi!! cause I can guarantee one thing you won't do nothing but want to join my wifi!! kind regards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das scooter boy Posted April 23, 2017 Author Share Posted April 23, 2017 Am loved in shortlees am born and bread there!! why what's going to happen when a say hi!! cause I can guarantee one thing you won't do nothing but want to join my wifi!! kind regards!! I will buy you a pint in The Murray [emoji16]???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just catching up on this. A few points raised earlier in the thread, I believe that it is in the safa constitution that no affiliated league should be paying a referees expense of more than £40. Also any monies that receive at amateur level is an expense, not as has been referred to previously as a 'wage'. Bearing in mind each referee would have to pay approximately £150 a year for kit, petrol to and from games, washing kit, stamps for admin of submitting team lines etc I would think the figure of £26 per hour would be way way off. In fact if you consider they are supposed to arrive 30 minutes before ko, allowing say half an hour travel each direction, even before you allow for any expenses incurred it's around £13 pounds per hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSoggySacks Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I don't really read this forum much but this thread caught my eye when I did. i see the instigator seems to be a man in the know and receiving criticism for it. well I don't know why as anyone who was a member or lurker fir the past couple of years could see the team was lead by a madman, by his posts on here (for anyone who says it wasn't cunny)(relentless) they obviously have an agenda, or stupid or quite frankly both.anf it was obvious he would end up losing the dressing room if that's his mindset the wheels have come off the bus by both shortlees and Glenburn big time.hurlford will win the league now. relentless (cunny) spoke passionately about taking shortlees back to where they belong (at the top) ( no laughing at the back) and knocking Hurlford of their perch.now he's stepping down.tut tut at least finish what you set out to achieve Sorry wrong thread. point still stands though imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye the Gnu Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 6 hours ago, jaggyness said: Just catching up on this. A few points raised earlier in the thread, I believe that it is in the safa constitution that no affiliated league should be paying a referees expense of more than £40. Also any monies that receive at amateur level is an expense, not as has been referred to previously as a 'wage'. Bearing in mind each referee would have to pay approximately £150 a year for kit, petrol to and from games, washing kit, stamps for admin of submitting team lines etc I would think the figure of £26 per hour would be way way off. In fact if you consider they are supposed to arrive 30 minutes before ko, allowing say half an hour travel each direction, even before you allow for any expenses incurred it's around £13 pounds per hour Well said, that man. I always found I was just about breaking even, but at least it got me out on a Saturday afternoon, enjoying a game of footy and away from the wife and the shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 On 20/04/2017 at 21:03, pleslie99 said: On 20/04/2017 at 20:26, NewBallsPlease said: It's true to say that there is no requirement for referees to attend training or even keep abreast of the Laws of the Game. The vast majority of leagues won't even have a clue if their referees have paid their yearly fees. However if this were to be insisted upon their WOULD be a shortage of referees and games would be unfulfilled as a result. Referees are required to pay their fees prior to the following season otherwise they become debt suspended and are unable to referee at any level. They are also required to attend training and meeting and failure to attend will restrict their ability to progress or referee higher profile matches. So unfortunately your point about leagues not knowing about referees even paying their fees is false as they are all instructed at the start of the season and during the season as to what referees are registered or not. Any league silly enough to allow unregistered referees to officiate is leaving themselves open for all sorts of accusations I believe what you say is only partly true. Referees are required to be registered with a their local association and while non attendance at training or meetings will restrict their progress such attendance is not an absolute requirement. I'm sure there are plenty of referees at grass root level who don't attend meetings and training although they will still be registered. Your point about leagues knowing/not knowing whether their referees registered is entirely correct. In my area (NE Scotland) leagues and associations would have a listing of registered referees. Also, referees are required to note their registration number on team lines and any reports so if a non registered referee did slip through he/she would probably be identified quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Northboy said: I believe what you say is only partly true. Referees are required to be registered with a their local association and while non attendance at training or meetings will restrict their progress such attendance is not an absolute requirement. I'm sure there are plenty of referees at grass root level who don't attend meetings and training although they will still be registered. Your point about leagues knowing/not knowing whether their referees registered is entirely correct. In my area (NE Scotland) leagues and associations would have a listing of registered referees. Also, referees are required to note their registration number on team lines and any reports so if a non registered referee did slip through he/she would probably be identified quite quickly. Not strictly true. I used to referee but haven't been registered with any league or association for about 5 years. I still get texts asking me to ref games most weeks due to allocated ref not taking the game (phone number hasn't changed). I actually did a few last year for shits and giggles and stuck my old registration number on the team lines. Nothing happened and I got offered two games at the weekend there, took none right enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Lex said: Not strictly true. I used to referee but haven't been registered with any league or association for about 5 years. I still get texts asking me to ref games most weeks due to allocated ref not taking the game (phone number hasn't changed). I actually did a few last year for shits and giggles and stuck my old registration number on the team lines. Nothing happened and I got offered two games at the weekend there, took none right enough. Who contacts you - the league/association or clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Northboy said: Who contacts you - the league/association or clubs? Clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco30 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lex said: Clubs. Surely the match Secretary for any league affiliated to the SAFA would not allow a league match to go ahead with one team providing a ref they have obviously had prior dealings with ? Lesving themselves wide open to many accusations if this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Disco30 said: 13 minutes ago, Lex said: Clubs. Surely the match Secretary for any league affiliated to the SAFA would not allow a league match to go ahead with one team providing a ref they have obviously had prior dealings with ? Lesving themselves wide open to many accusations if this is the case. I've has two occasions in juvenile football when the appointed referee has called off late (ie within an hour of kick off). In these situations the home team called the match secretary and we were advised we could play if we could find a mutually acceptable referee. On one occasion we played and on the other we didn't. Decisions were made based upon relation ship between the teams, importance of the match and expectation of scoreline. At least there was the condition that both teams had to agree and we when we did play we had to inform the match secretary about who actually refereed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn308 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If you use a referee that is not registered and player has a bad injury the club insurance would not pay out. Also if club find out that referee not registered and they got beat the game could be replayed. As for the match fee 40 pounds not enough for the abuse that referees take during a match. People are saying that 20 pounds per hour for match, some referees will leave there home 10,11 and not get back till 5,6 for one match. Upkeep of there car, fuel Stevie Nicholls and Davie Somers two former class one referees, Kevin Nolan, Tam Gilchrist very good amateur referees just to old to go any where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Have we established what the abuse actually was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishyman Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Great self control shown by the lassies dad. Witnessing your lassie being abused by grown men would be a bitter pill to try and swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das scooter boy Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Have we established what the abuse actually was? Verbal regarding her performance during the game.IMO she had a good game and the abuse wasn't needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNW Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Lets be honest ammy fitba is full of fannies who spend more time trying to intimidate the ref and opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the flagman Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 been away for a couple of days so hence the time from my last post most of amateur football think as the referee is on his own the more they shout the more they will get as its blatantly trying to imtimidate the ref strong ones are needed in places like hurlford shortlees maybe even clark drive dut to the antice of a certain coach so why not stay off the refs case and let him or her get on with it think about the short comings of your own team first i say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 16:59, jaggyness said: Just catching up on this. A few points raised earlier in the thread, I believe that it is in the safa constitution that no affiliated league should be paying a referees expense of more than £40. Also any monies that receive at amateur level is an expense, not as has been referred to previously as a 'wage'. Bearing in mind each referee would have to pay approximately £150 a year for kit, petrol to and from games, washing kit, stamps for admin of submitting team lines etc I would think the figure of £26 per hour would be way way off. In fact if you consider they are supposed to arrive 30 minutes before ko, allowing say half an hour travel each direction, even before you allow for any expenses incurred it's around £13 pounds per hour Most leagues ive seen dont have refs arrive half an hour and a lot certainly don't drive for half an hour to a game either, and they shouldn't be paid for travelling time, my work doesnt pay me for my journey there and back, not many jobs will nowadays, refs are no different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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