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17 hours ago, Burnieman said:

Correct, all it serves is the SAFA.   You have no idea how long you would need to exist as an amateur club before you got the chance to apply which even then may not be successful.  Crackpot idea.

You haven’t answered my question over 2 threads - surely it is preferable for a team to at least have a mens side playing at amateur level for a given period of time before a WOS space opens up rather than having no mens side at all?

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11 minutes ago, Basile Boli said:

You haven’t answered my question over 2 threads - surely it is preferable for a team to at least have a mens side playing at amateur level for a given period of time before a WOS space opens up rather than having no mens side at all?

I've not avoided anything.   It makes no difference, so the answer is no.

Using the example of a well run community club who run mens teams upto say U19/20/21 level and have facilities that tick WoSFL boxes, really don't need to enter an adult team at a very low level in the amateurs (if the ammy league they join has multiple divisions) - and for an indeterminate amount of time - to prove that they will be any better an addition to the lowest level of the WoSFL than anyone else.  They are probably better run than a stand alone ammy team.

It's not as if it makes any difference to the process, which will still be one of application in front of a committee.

This is more about the SAFA probably moaning about clubs leaving to go senior, and wanting to try and remain relevant.  It's of little benefit to senior leagues.

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15 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

Using the example of a well run community club who run mens teams upto say U19/20/21 level and have facilities that tick WoSFL boxes, really don't need to enter an adult team at a very low level in the amateurs (if the ammy league they join has multiple divisions) - and for an indeterminate amount of time - to prove that they will be any better an addition to the lowest level of the WoSFL than anyone else.  They are probably better run than a stand alone ammy team.

Pyramid Development Leagues swallowed up a lot of youth football. and the SAFA Leagues already incorporate u19-21s divisions in there structure. u19-21s teams can even compete in the Amateur Cup now.

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2 hours ago, Burnieman said:

I've not avoided anything.   It makes no difference, so the answer is no.

Using the example of a well run community club who run mens teams upto say U19/20/21 level and have facilities that tick WoSFL boxes, really don't need to enter an adult team at a very low level in the amateurs (if the ammy league they join has multiple divisions) - and for an indeterminate amount of time - to prove that they will be any better an addition to the lowest level of the WoSFL than anyone else.  They are probably better run than a stand alone ammy team.

It's not as if it makes any difference to the process, which will still be one of application in front of a committee.

This is more about the SAFA probably moaning about clubs leaving to go senior, and wanting to try and remain relevant.  It's of little benefit to senior leagues.

How many clubs have left the SAFA to go Senior in the last 3 seasons? A handful at most.

Off the top of my head, Thorn Athletic, Linlithgow Thistle, Rothie Rovers, West Park United? I’d say the SAFA have more pressing matters to worry about than losing teams to Senior leagues.

I think it’s entirely fair for the WOSFL to expect prospective applicant clubs to have at least shown some determination to run an adult mens team instead of just deciding one day to bypass existing amateur leagues because a better option has come up.
 

After all, these boys clubs-turned-senior clubs who’ve joined the pyramid in recent years all preach about a “pathway”. If they’re that serious about having a pathway then already having a functioning mens team should be a non-negotiable.

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1 hour ago, Basile Boli said:

How many clubs have left the SAFA to go Senior in the last 3 seasons? A handful at most.

Off the top of my head, Thorn Athletic, Linlithgow Thistle, Rothie Rovers, West Park United? I’d say the SAFA have more pressing matters to worry about than losing teams to Senior leagues.

I think it’s entirely fair for the WOSFL to expect prospective applicant clubs to have at least shown some determination to run an adult mens team instead of just deciding one day to bypass existing amateur leagues because a better option has come up.
 

After all, these boys clubs-turned-senior clubs who’ve joined the pyramid in recent years all preach about a “pathway”. If they’re that serious about having a pathway then already having a functioning mens team should be a non-negotiable.

 

Nobody is bypassing anything, since when was it normal to have to join amateur football before becoming a senior club?  If there are vacancies, you accept applications and judge them on merit, whether the club have kicked a ball in anger or not.

A player pathway ideally doesn't involved amateur football, otherwise it's kinda failed.

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16 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

 

Nobody is bypassing anything, since when was it normal to have to join amateur football before becoming a senior club?  If there are vacancies, you accept applications and judge them on merit, whether the club have kicked a ball in anger or not.

Indeed. It's not so long since the SPFL admitted a new club which had never kicked a ball at all.

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3 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

What's any of this got to do with EOSL?

Indeed, unlike the WOS the EOS isn't at capacity in the bottom division and there's a nice regional amateur system below - compared to the mess of four dwindling leagues covering the same west central belt area.

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23 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

Indeed, unlike the WOS the EOS isn't at capacity in the bottom division and there's a nice regional amateur system below - compared to the mess of four dwindling leagues covering the same west central belt area.

Chances are Inverkeithing wouldn't have got in based on their original application these days. Same with Edinburgh South. Letham couldn't get in based on their ground. Rosyth just folded chasing a ground good enough. Peebles Rovers are meant to be moving.

As entry standards rise and the Third Division shrivels. What sort of links are being fostered to interested clubs other than better luck next year?

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2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

As entry standards rise and the Third Division shrivels. What sort of links are being fostered to interested clubs other than better luck next year?

Not sure the Third Division will shrivel longer term.  The EoS are probably looking at the next wee while of accepting clubs from the LL without many clubs going the other way.  At some point soon the WoS clubs are going to get their turn at dominating the play-off.

Edinburgh Uni will drop perhaps this season, Gala and Civil Service may not survive in the LL beyond the next few years and you may also see a former SPFL club drop again. 

I don't think the EoSFL need to pro-actively recruit clubs, the door is always open. 

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The obvious solution for the EoS is to put LEAFA, Borders League and Kingdom Leagues officially underneath the Third Division, and allow clubs that win those leagues into the Third Division should they meet basic requirements and are willing to come up, with a view to eventually introducing relegation if/when the Third Division reaches capacity.

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13 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

The obvious solution for the EoS is to put LEAFA, Borders League and Kingdom Leagues officially underneath the Third Division, and allow clubs that win those leagues into the Third Division should they meet basic requirements and are willing to come up, with a view to eventually introducing relegation if/when the Third Division reaches capacity.

I don't think there's any solution required, as there is no problem to solve.

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8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

If there are clubs wanting to join but unable to get in. Then its not full. 

EoSFL isn't full, which is the point under discussion.  Therefore there is no "solution" required as mentioned above.

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53 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

EoSFL isn't full, which is the point under discussion.  Therefore there is no "solution" required as mentioned above.

Nobody has said anything about the EoS being full. The suggestions above have been about finding a means to extend beyond it. 

There are clubs that would want to be part of the pyramid that can't access due to ever increasing ground criteria. Clubs that are currently in it that wouldn't be today if they were an applicant. 

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