Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

[SandyCromarty]

Nicola Sturgeons legacy will be the convincing wins she led in General Elections and Scottish parliament elections, consider that there is only one Labour and six tory MP's in Scotland against 44 SNP MP's.

And then Holyrood dominated by 64 SNP MSP's, with the tories and labour MSP's mostly list.

In fact if the Scottish elections were 'first past the post' as in Westminster the SNP would be virtually unopposed with hardly any london based tory and labour gadgies in the Scottish Parliament.

So the naysayers, petty critics, woman haters and daft journos can throw all the shite they want but at the end of day Nicola Sturgeon delivered elections that gave the Scottish People a voice but especially a political identity.

A great legacy for us to continue.

[Lyle Lanley]

4 hours ago, Leith Green said:

You probably go the same, but this is incredible from Twitter after I complained - 

Reported it and got the same message as you.  

[Scary Bear]

23 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

I wouldn't take the opinions around fairness of someone who defended his club signing Goodwillie too seriously tbh lads 

Misgendering people?

I don’t recall defending my club signing Goodwillie. Signing rapists is never a good look, but I’m not about to give up on Raith Rovers. Just like all the people who were really vociferous at the time, but who are now back supporting Raith Rovers.

[Leith Green]

17 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

Reported it and got the same message as you.  

Sounds like they removed his access until he took the tweet down............fucker should be in the jail

[welshbairn]

12 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

Reported it and got the same message as you.  

I think you have to be careful how you report it, if you call it individual abuse and wishing harm they take note, if you call it something more general like misogyny they ignore it. The post's been deleted but his account's still active, unlike folk who've done something really bad like posting where Musk's jet is. 

[VictorOnopko]

18 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

Notice most politicians of all colours gave generic "I may have disagreed but..." comments, but the c**t's c**t, Alistair Jack had to say something along the lines of "hopefully the new FM gives up talking about Independence". He really is a big bag of pish, isn't he?

Alasdair "there's no desire in Scotland to rejoin the EU" Jack and the bold DRoss were notable in taking the "I am an absolute c&nt" approach to their farewell comments yesterday.  I'm not sure but it might be because they are both absolute c&nts who can't bring themselves to say anything pleasant or decent on a human level about a political opponent - especially one who has outclassed them so comprehensively for so long.

[FFCinthearea]

33 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Nicola Sturgeons legacy will be the convincing wins she led in General Elections and Scottish parliament elections, consider that there is only one Labour and six tory MP's in Scotland against 44 SNP MP's.

And then Holyrood dominated by 64 SNP MSP's, with the tories and labour MSP's mostly list.

In fact if the Scottish elections were 'first past the post' as in Westminster the SNP would be virtually unopposed with hardly any london based tory and labour gadgies in the Scottish Parliament.

So the naysayers, petty critics, woman haters and daft journos can throw all the shite they want but at the end of day Nicola Sturgeon delivered elections that gave the Scottish People a voice but especially a political identity.

A great legacy for us to continue.

She was great at winning elections but shite when it came to actually running a country.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

26 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Nicola Sturgeons legacy will be the convincing wins she led in General Elections and Scottish parliament elections, consider that there is only one Labour and six tory MP's in Scotland against 44 SNP MP's.

And then Holyrood dominated by 64 SNP MSP's, with the tories and labour MSP's mostly list.

In fact if the Scottish elections were 'first past the post' as in Westminster the SNP would be virtually unopposed with hardly any london based tory and labour gadgies in the Scottish Parliament.

So the naysayers, petty critics, woman haters and daft journos can throw all the shite they want but at the end of day Nicola Sturgeon delivered elections that gave the Scottish People a voice but especially a political identity.

A great legacy for us to continue.

I think the reaction to Nicola Sturgeon's resignation is perhaps the measure of her time in Scottish, UK and indeed global politics.  The passage of time will provide further clarity as to any lasting achievements.

Which of course feeds into the drive for independence, and I have to admit to some fascination at the expectation of many unionist politicos and journos that it is now stone dead in the water.

If so, then it seems many of us have basically been seduced by a Svengali and Mata Hari in quick order, and the movement has been built on little more than sand.  And according to the right-wing London press we'll be virtually queuing up to return to the suffocating embrace of Labour.  Which tells us just how unthreatening is Sir Keir's Labour Party.

It's a nice line in wishful thinking, I'll give them that.

 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

It’s fairer apparently.

My gas and leccy bills are mental, I can’t get a doctor or dentist appointment and the roads are falling to bits. Maybe that’s fairer or I have my rose-tinted specs on but that’s either no change or a bit less fair.

 

1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

Yes, yes I do. On the same imaginary scale that she uses for fairness.

 

1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

I disagree with her statement that Scotland is fairer now than it was in 2015. Nicola picking some metrics she thinks shows fairness doesn’t mean I have to agree with her. Is that clear enough for you?

 

40 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

Misgendering people?

I don’t recall defending my club signing Goodwillie. Signing rapists is never a good look, but I’m not about to give up on Raith Rovers. Just like all the people who were really vociferous at the time, but who are now back supporting Raith Rovers.

What an absolute child 

[Central Belt Caley]

1 hour ago, renton said:

And it's fair to call them on the timetable. I wouldn't count it as a failure though.

But the dual A9? They made the commitment to do it, have kept the budget in place throughout and it'll eventually be there, realised in glorious asphalt for every crased, sleeped deprived long haul artic driver to barrel up and down.

Yeah I agree with you, I feel let down that it won’t be dualled by 2025 even though it was ambitious. As long as the commitment is still there it’s not a failure it’s just a delay. 
 

17 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said:

Don’t want to come across as heartless but can’t think of a nice way to make the following point.

Are road deaths actually the fault of the road?

Yes, dualling roads to make overtaking etc safer is all fine and well, but personal responsibility is also important.

I feel there’s a culture within driving where people don’t leave enough time for their journeys and often seem on a mission to get from A to B as quickly as possible.  It shouldn’t be like that.

So often people completely ignore stopping distances too, driving for long periods of time far too close to the vehicle in front.

Aquaplaning is something that happens frequently too.

Perhaps education is also a way to bring down the high death rate on the A9?

I’ve travelled up and down the A9 quite a bit as a driver and a passenger. One thing that I’ve noticed that leads to near misses is when a lorry is doing its legal 50mph and you’ve got 5-6 cars all bunched up behind and there’s no gaps for anyone looking to overtake to drop into. (Not exclusive to the A9, but its noticeable as there’s long stretches of single carriageway).
 

A bit of education and people leaving gaps for drivers who want to make progress would be a start. 

[welshbairn]

10 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

She was great at winning elections but shite when it came to actually running a country.

Her options were severely limited while Westminster were operating an austerity budget and Scotland had next to no say in monetary policy and borrowing. Some of the small things made a difference, like the extra ~£500 pa unpaid carer's allowance paid for respite holidays for me, and I'm sure the birth box helped out lots of young parents without family support, along with free Uni and prescriptions.

[ScotiaNostra]

21 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

I think the reaction to Nicola Sturgeon's resignation is perhaps the measure of her time in Scottish, UK and indeed global politics.  The passage of time will provide further clarity as to any lasting achievements.

Which of course feeds into the drive for independence, and I have to admit to some fascination at the expectation of many unionist politicos and journos that it is now stone dead in the water.

If so, then it seems many of us have basically been seduced by a Svengali and Mata Hari in quick order, and the movement has been built on little more than sand.  And according to the right-wing London press we'll be virtually queuing up to return to the suffocating embrace of Labour.  Which tells us just how unthreatening is Sir Keir's Labour Party.

It's a nice line in wishful thinking, I'll give them that.

 

Id kind of think the opposite of her time, I think history will show she was dealt the best hand of any Indy leader and failed to capitalise on it in any way. Brexit, the worst Tory government and a complete shambles of a UK government the worst in history. An energy crisis in a Energy rich country. Everything occurring at once wont happen again for a while. Everything was pointing to us being better independent and at a time with the least to lose in terms of any change and nothing moved forward. 

I think the next leader can be better in terms of getting independence as long as they are even a half decent politican as theres still a window left of that chaos before its passed

Edited February 16, 2023 by ScotiaNostra

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

I think you have to be careful how you report it, if you call it individual abuse and wishing harm they take note, if you call it something more general like misogyny they ignore it. The post's been deleted but his account's still active, unlike folk who've done something really bad like posting where Musk's jet is. 

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[RiG]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

I think you have to be careful how you report it, if you call it individual abuse and wishing harm they take note, if you call it something more general like misogyny they ignore it. The post's been deleted but his account's still active, unlike folk who've done something really bad like posting where Musk's jet is. 

To be fair to Musk he has more important things to deal with on Twitter like ensuring his Tweets get the most impressions because he's a thin skinned dork.

[Shipa]

1 hour ago, ScotiaNostra said:

Id kind of think the opposite of her time, I think history will show she was dealt the best hand of any Indy leader and failed to capitalise on it in any way. Brexit, the worst Tory government and a complete shambles of a UK government the worst in history. An energy crisis in a Energy rich country. Everything occurring at once wont happen again for a while. Everything was pointing to us being better independent and at a time with the least to lose in terms of any change and nothing moved forward. 

I think the next leader can be better in terms of getting independence as long as they are even a half decent politican as theres still a window left of that chaos before its passed

I think there's a bit of a flip-side to this, in that while these things can point to us being better - or at least no worse - off with independance, they play equally into the hands of the 'Now is not the time/get on with the day job' types.

[Scary Bear]

27 minutes ago, Shipa said:

I think there's a bit of a flip-side to this, in that while these things can point to us being better - or at least no worse - off with independance, they play equally into the hands of the 'Now is not the time/get on with the day job' types.

Is it easier to make the case for independence when the country is an absolute shambles or when it’s doing reasonably well?

I’m not sure, but the last few years with the Tories must have been like shooting fish in a barrel and yet there hasn’t been much in the way of in-roads towards independence. 

I suspect that people don’t trust the SNP to run an independent Scotland any more than they trust the Tories at Westminster.

[Pocketman]

2 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said:

Id kind of think the opposite of her time, I think history will show she was dealt the best hand of any Indy leader and failed to capitalise on it in any way. Brexit, the worst Tory government and a complete shambles of a UK government the worst in history. An energy crisis in a Energy rich country. Everything occurring at once wont happen again for a while. Everything was pointing to us being better independent and at a time with the least to lose in terms of any change and nothing moved forward. 

I think the next leader can be better in terms of getting independence as long as they are even a half decent politican as theres still a window left of that chaos before its passed

I think we see in Scotland circa 45% v much in favour of indy and 45% v much against, regardless of what is thrown at them.

NS has failed to convince the floating 10% but given the shitshow of the last 5 years or so, something tells me that the floating 10% are not going to change their opinion on the basis of stronger economic argument or a firm currency proposal. They will change their position based on the weather, the color of shoes they are wearing or whether they see their favourite trifle on a reduced item shelf. And then flip back to the opposite position the following day. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

7 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:

I got the same message.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

4 hours ago, Scary Bear said:

 

My gas and leccy bills are mental

Ian Murray found.

[renton]

23 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said:

I think we see in Scotland circa 45% v much in favour of indy and 45% v much against, regardless of what is thrown at them.

NS has failed to convince the floating 10% but given the shitshow of the last 5 years or so, something tells me that the floating 10% are not going to change their opinion on the basis of stronger economic argument or a firm currency proposal. They will change their position based on the weather, the color of shoes they are wearing or whether they see their favourite trifle on a reduced item shelf. And then flip back to the opposite position the following day. 

Kind of. The periods in the last 8 years that have produced Yes votes have tended to coincide with utter UK shit shows. The Brexit vote, the Covid winter of 2020, the aftermath of Liz Truss. 

These folk are running away from the prospect of a failing UK rather than towards the concept of an Indy Scotland. 

It's not an easy conundrum to resolve. Hell, you might get lucky and have a referendum the week after the next WM f**k up. By now Brexit has been normalised by "The Great British Public" who's most heroic attribute tends to be the amount of shit they will take and not do a fucking thing about it. It's taken for granted in all but the most egregious cases that our UK political class are venal and corrupt to a high degree of efficiency.

The actual island could sink into the sea and most folk would only be slightly tetchy about it. If the UK is a failing state, its less to do with the stupid, amoral and corrupt class we let run the show and far more reflective on the misery and cynicism of the electorate that can't  actually dare to believe they might deserve better.

Edited February 16, 2023 by renton