Doonhamer1969 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, ArabAuslander said: I would imagine the Scottish Cup would have to change its format next season? Maybe the 2nd place sides in the HL and LL would be pushed back to Round 1, otherwise you're going to have at least three prelim rounds. It'll need aboot 10 preliminary rounds at this rate !!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said: It'll need aboot 10 preliminary rounds at this rate !!!! 28 sides below HL & LL with a licence +Musselburgh +Junior cup winners +Amateur cup winners +West junior winners (depending on cup winners) +East junior winners (depending on cup winners) +possibly Tranent? (leaving out north junior winners as it will be Banks O'Dee & also leaving out EoS/SoS winners as they will almost certainly be licensed too). Looking at 32-34 teams below LL & HL. This season, there were only 7 spaces for teams below HL/LL in the first round. Edited February 26, 2020 by stanley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said: It'll need aboot 10 preliminary rounds at this rate !!!! As more clubs turn senior and gain their ground license you might not be far wrong. Or does the SFA cap the amount of clubs recieving a license hence some of the bigger West clubs are left. Not a dig, just an observation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, Blackie Gold said: As more clubs turn senior and gain their ground license you might not be far wrong. Or does the SFA cap the amount of clubs recieving a license hence some of the bigger West clubs are left. Not a dig, just an observation. or they just rejig the format which is something they've consistently done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicotina Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Fairweatherfan stated that talbot ran away with the first west premier title Beg to differ. Think u will it was The Lok. Fact 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: or they just rejig the format which is something they've consistently done. Sounds interesting I will watch out for that. It was just a wee worry that teams say goodbye to the Juniors and try and get a license only to be knocked back due to an abundance of clubs now being able to play in the Scottish Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: or they just rejig the format which is something they've consistently done. Agreed. Considering the FA Cup Qualifying Rounds involved 644 clubs this season it shouldn't be that big an issue, although prize money might (apologies for using an example from another country ). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Gold Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, nicotina said: Fairweatherfan stated that talbot ran away with the first west premier title Beg to differ. Think u will it was The Lok. Fact He's maybe not got access to a history book. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: or they just rejig the format which is something they've consistently done. Realistically just put all HL/LL Clubs in Round 1. That provides you with 4 extra berths from the Prelim. Rounds. So you will have 11 Slots in R1 for those who get through Prelims. Which means you can up to 44 clubs in Prelims. The highest x number finishers in the pyramid with a License should be given a bye to PR2. The remaining sides should face out in PR1. Simples. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, Blackie Gold said: Sounds interesting I will watch out for that. It was just a wee worry that teams say goodbye to the Juniors and try and get a license only to be knocked back due to an abundance of clubs now being able to play in the Scottish Cup. There is meant to be something within the SFA constitution that only allows for 200 full members. A long way for that to happen though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, nicotina said: Fairweatherfan stated that talbot ran away with the first west premier title Beg to differ. Think u will it was The Lok. Fact Strangely enough I didn't, I called it what is the first West Premiership title. 22 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Yeah and you used Auchinleck Talbot as a team that would run up cricket scores. Except they're not a true representative of West Premiership clubs. Not only did they run away with the first West Premiership title. According to Wikipedia they were the clear number one during the Superleague era. Top 4 finish 14/16 seasons. Over a 100 points more than the 2nd place team. Only Hurlford's 5 stint comes close to PPG accrual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Three days left for clubs to express their interest and get in the loop. It'll be interesting to see who is and who isn't at the information meeting which is expected to be early in March. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanCamelonfan Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Blackie Gold said: Sounds interesting I will watch out for that. It was just a wee worry that teams say goodbye to the Juniors and try and get a license only to be knocked back due to an abundance of clubs now being able to play in the Scottish Cup. Weve constantly heard this since we left and none of scare stories happened 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Ginaro said: When anyone says "get David Tanner back!" you know it's bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, stanley said: 28 sides below HL & LL with a licence +Musselburgh +Junior cup winners +Amateur cup winners +West junior winners (depending on cup winners) +East junior winners (depending on cup winners) +possibly Tranent? (leaving out north junior winners as it will be Banks O'Dee & also leaving out EoS/SoS winners as they will almost certainly be licensed too). Looking at 32-34 teams below LL & HL. This season, there were only 7 spaces for teams below HL/LL in the first round. Extra problem is that if Brechin get relegated, it will mean that there will be only 6 spaces for teams below H/LL in the first round. The best way forward (and one that won't have to be changed again when a whole lot of West sides get licensed) would be to let all Championship clubs start in round 3 & all HL/LL in round 1. That would create 26 spots for clubs below HL/LL. When using your example, assuming Tranent get licensed & neither the west, nor the east junior winners win the junior cup, there will be 34 clubs. That means 16 clubs will play a preliminary round & 18 will have a bye. Giving byes to the 18 best licensed sides is then the fairest imo. With these changes, and the possibility to play 2 preliminary rounds, there is space for 104 clubs in the preliminaries. We won't need to worry about that number being reached for a long time... Edited February 27, 2020 by Marten 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 hours ago, Blackie Gold said: Sounds interesting I will watch out for that. It was just a wee worry that teams say goodbye to the Juniors and try and get a license only to be knocked back due to an abundance of clubs now being able to play in the Scottish Cup. One way to guarantee loss of access to the Scottish Cup is to remain Junior, it's coming to an end, Licenced clubs only probably from 2021-22. The SFA are not going to prevent access to the Scottish Cup to clubs who are Licenced and SFA members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AML67 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 hours ago, ArabAuslander said: I would imagine the Scottish Cup would have to change its format next season? Maybe the 2nd place sides in the HL and LL would be pushed back to Round 1, otherwise you're going to have at least three prelim rounds. At a recent South meeting Rod Petrie appeared to be Championing an all in 1 round scenario to avoid this 3 preliminary rounds scenario which virtually all in attendance agreed with 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 One way to guarantee loss of access to the Scottish Cup is to remain Junior, it's coming to an end, Licenced clubs only probably from 2021-22. The SFA are not going to prevent access to the Scottish Cup to clubs who are Licenced and SFA members.This would be a terrible retrograde step. Every club in Scotland should have a theoretical opportunity to qualify for the Scottish Cup, regardless of their resources.The rewards for getting a license should be guaranteed Scottish Cup entry, financial benefits and eligibility for different levels of the pyramid. Other clubs should still be able to qualify by winning a variety of qualifying competitions (eg Tier 6 league winners, winners of various cups). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, AML67 said: At a recent South meeting Rod Petrie appeared to be Championing an all in 1 round scenario to avoid this 3 preliminary rounds scenario which virtually all in attendance agreed with It can easily go to just 1 Prelim Round with a bit of fiddling higher up, an all-in round one would be even better if it is achievable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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