c***s on the road

[Clangers]

Just down the A9 from the Inverness game and I see Police Scotland don’t think the 90 miles of average speed cameras are enough but had set up a van on the duel but South of Drumochtor!
Yes cars will go over 70mph for a bit there to clear the 50mph vehicles but surely the average camera is enough, this just stinks of profiteering.

[Derry Alli]

2 hours ago, Clangers said:

Just down the A9 from the Inverness game and I see Police Scotland don’t think the 90 miles of average speed cameras are enough but had set up a van on the duel but South of Drumochtor!
Yes cars will go over 70mph for a bit there to clear the 50mph vehicles but surely the average camera is enough, this just stinks of profiteering.

My mate got 2 tickets, 14 minutes apart from vans sat on the A9. He was going 70mph in a Bipper. It's not a commercial vehicle, he uses it to transport his electric bike.

[parsforlife]

7 hours ago, Derry Alli said:

My mate got 2 tickets, 14 minutes apart from vans sat on the A9. He was going 70mph in a Bipper. It's not a commercial vehicle, he uses it to transport his electric bike.

The law doesn't care what you have in the back.

[Jacksgranda]

4 hours ago, parsforlife said:

The law doesn't care what you have in the back.

Maybe if you've dead bodies...

[parsforlife]

23 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Maybe if you've dead bodies...

"We sentence you to life imprisonment, 3 points on your license and £100 fine."

That's a fucking joke judge,  those vans are just there to make the government money, I wasnae even going that fast.

[TxRover]

18 hours ago, Derry Alli said:

My mate got 2 tickets, 14 minutes apart from vans sat on the A9. He was going 70mph in a Bipper. It's not a commercial vehicle, he uses it to transport his electric bike.

It’s not the commercial aspect, it’s the derivation of the vehicle. A car-based van or a van-based car, and the Bipper is based upon a van, and thus subject the the 50 SC and 60 DC limits regardless. It’s typical bureaucratic bulls**t.

[Derry Alli]

10 minutes ago, TxRover said:

It’s not the commercial aspect, it’s the derivation of the vehicle. A car-based van or a van-based car, and the Bipper is based upon a van, and thus subject the the 50 SC and 60 DC limits regardless. It’s typical bureaucratic bulls**t.

Aye his argument was Range Rovers are about a quarter size bigger - and a helluva lot more powerful.

[Zetterlund]

19 hours ago, Derry Alli said:

My mate got 2 tickets, 14 minutes apart from vans sat on the A9. He was going 70mph in a Bipper. It's not a commercial vehicle, he uses it to transport his electric bike.

I must have just been lucky, as I drove a Bipper for 4 years and assumed it was classed as car-derived, so would hoon about at 70* on dual carriageways.

Great wee van, seemed like it ran on fresh air.

 

*ish

[TheScarf]

On 02/09/2023 at 21:02, Clangers said:

Just down the A9 from the Inverness game and I see Police Scotland don’t think the 90 miles of average speed cameras are enough but had set up a van on the duel but South of Drumochtor!
Yes cars will go over 70mph for a bit there to clear the 50mph vehicles but surely the average camera is enough, this just stinks of profiteering.

I wouldn't worry about it, half the average speed camera are just for show.

[Central Belt Caley]

I think the average speed cameras only work on the single carriageways or they certainly used to. I’ve done a fair speed on the Drumochter stretch a few times and never had anything through the post 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Central Belt Caley

[parsforlife]

On 03/09/2023 at 18:16, Derry Alli said:

Aye his argument was Range Rovers are about a quarter size bigger - and a helluva lot more powerful.

I’d have that argument too but it’s not the law. I don’t think it’s properly reacted to both the number of large cars on the road and the fact manufactures have given up on car-derived vans and instead opted for small specialist vans.  There’s got to be a fair amount of small vans fully loaded that weigh less than an almost empty 4x4 or pickup and the extra weight is the entire reason for the lower speed limit.

On 03/09/2023 at 19:16, Zetterlund said:

I must have just been lucky, as I drove a Bipper for 4 years and assumed it was classed as car-derived, so would hoon about at 70* on dual carriageways.

Great wee van, seemed like it ran on fresh air.

 

*ish

Most cameras don’t know what’s driving past and so will only flag those  going above the car limit, there are some I believe that use lasers to decide if the your too big to be a car and apply the lower speed limit but given this is based on height small vans are never going to be caught out.  So it’s only going to be vans for or police handhelds(when was the last time you saw these?) and even then I think it needs the road to be quite enough the operator can tell the system there’s a van coming as it’s not intelligent to do it itself.

 

 

All of this is speculation and I take no responsibility for p&b bampots who get caught and want to use my ramblings as a reason they shouldn’t have.

Edited September 4, 2023 by parsforlife

[alta-pete]

Agree and disagree. It’s ANPR - they take your reg plate and the bot at DVLA gets triggered. A car will get away with 65/70mph or so, an LGV won’t. 

My Range Rover (other lesser products are available) weighs north of 2tn when loaded up. But having just replaced the pads and discs all round at a tickle under £2k I’d suggest it’s got far greater stopping power than a fully laden Bipper. 

And after a late finish in Inverness 6/8 weeks ago and fed up dicing with tourists in hired VWs I can confirm that (so far ) it seems the speed cameras do not monitor the dual carriageway sections. 

[Loonytoons]

32 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

I’d have that argument too but it’s not the law. I don’t think it’s properly reacted to both the number of large cars on the road and the fact manufactures have given up on car-derived vans and instead opted for small specialist vans.  There’s got to be a fair amount of small vans fully loaded that weigh less than an almost empty 4x4 or pickup and the extra weight is the entire reason for the lower speed limit.

Most cameras don’t know what’s driving past and so will only flag those  going above the car limit, there are some I believe that use lasers to decide if the your too big to be a car and apply the lower speed limit but given this is based on height small vans are never going to be caught out.  So it’s only going to be vans for or police handhelds(when was the last time you saw these?) and even then I think it needs the road to be quite enough the operator can tell the system there’s a van coming as it’s not intelligent to do it itself.

 

 

All of this is speculation and I take no responsibility for p&b bampots who get caught and want to use my ramblings as a reason they shouldn’t have.

Pretty sure average speed cameras use ANPR.  That'll give the type of vehicle.

 

[Loonytoons]

Just now, Loonytoons said:

Pretty sure average speed cameras use ANPR.  That'll give the type of vehicle.

 

Ach alta-pete got there first

[sophia]

3 hours ago, Loonytoons said:

Pretty sure average speed cameras use ANPR.  That'll give the type of vehicle.

 

I'm not at sure what's going on then.

If there is widespread auto average speed booking of big vehicles on the A9 then I'm not sure that we'd be seeing the learned habitual behaviour of most vehicles, busses included, doing 60mph on the single carriageways. If the cameras have that technology then it's self evident that they are choosing not to use it.

Moreover, it's a farce that the likes of a Ford Ranger, Toyota Hilux or other vans are restricted to 50mph, that just imposes needless inconvenience and risk upon those that don't need or deserve it.

It is certainly correct to say that the average speed tech does not apply to the dualled sections of the A9 between Inverness and Perth.

Edited September 4, 2023 by sophia
Geographical clarity

[RandomGuy.]

4 hours ago, Central Belt Caley said:

I think the average speed cameras only work on the single carriageways or they certainly used to. I’ve done a fair speed on the Drumochter stretch a few times and never had anything through the post 

They definitely do between Perth and Stirling, FWIW. I learned that last week 

[Zetterlund]

20 minutes ago, sophia said:

I'm not at sure what's going on then.

If there is widespread auto average speed booking of big vehicles on the A9 then I'm not sure that we'd be seeing the learned habitual behaviour of most vehicles, busses included, doing 60mph on the single carriageways. If the cameras have that technology then it's self evident that they are choosing not to use it.

Moreover, it's a farce that the likes of a Ford Ranger, Toyota Hilux or other vans are restricted to 50mph, that just imposes needless inconvenience and risk upon those that don't need or deserve it.

It is certainly correct to say that the average speed tech does not apply to the dualled sections of the A9.

I've never been sure if the average speed cameras have ANPR so have always played it safe, however I seem to be in the minority in doing so. 

Sitting seething at 50 for hours in a light van while every other van clearly gives no fucks about the 50mph limit has me wondering what they know that I don't.

Either there are thousands of tickets being dished out constantly or these cameras are not capable of identifying vehicle classes.

The 50 limit for vans is indeed farcical and only causes unnecessary frustration, not just for the van driver but for everyone else they hold up.

[Central Belt Caley]

7 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

They definitely do between Perth and Stirling, FWIW. I learned that last week 

Sorry should’ve been clearer meant the dual carriageways between Perth and Inverness  Soon as I hit Dunblane the cruise control goes on at 75 until I hit Broxden roundabout 

[welshbairn]

10 hours ago, Zetterlund said:

The 50 limit for vans is indeed farcical and only causes unnecessary frustration, not just for the van driver but for everyone else they hold up.

In my experience most lorries happily trundle along at 60, it's only the odd van slowing everyone down, and then annoyingly speeding up to 70 on the overtaking sections.

Edited September 5, 2023 by welshbairn

[thistledo]

20 hours ago, alta-pete said:

Agree and disagree. It’s ANPR - they take your reg plate and the bot at DVLA gets triggered. A car will get away with 65/70mph or so, an LGV won’t. 

My Range Rover (other lesser products are available) weighs north of 2tn when loaded up. But having just replaced the pads and discs all round at a tickle under £2k I’d suggest it’s got far greater stopping power than a fully laden Bipper. 

And after a late finish in Inverness 6/8 weeks ago and fed up dicing with tourists in hired VWs I can confirm that (so far ) it seems the speed cameras do not monitor the dual carriageway sections. 

Almost certain this is the case, they do deploy camera vans to the dual sections at times though, fortunately no issues here for this law abiding citizen. 

Never actually met anyone who was caught speeding on the average speed cameras on the A9. Been told a few stories ranging from the tolerance is high, they aren't switched on and finally they calculate your entire trip so even if speeding in one section if it averages out to the speed limit you're all good. I have no idea if any of this is true. I can say that I've driven up/down a few times at a pretty high average without any issues.