paul wright scores Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 22 hours ago, eindhovendee said: From the Shoot 24/10/81 courtesy of Miles McClagan on X. That's Tony Higgins, not Brian Whittaker Edited March 7 by paul wright scores 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkie84 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 06/03/2024 at 05:41, Dirty Sanchez said: It seems so from these Canmore images. https://canmore.org.uk/collection/1676967 Interesting stuff. when was the shelf removed and how kind was it open for. Seems a lot of work to put in only to remove it again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Merkie84 said: Interesting stuff. when was the shelf removed and how kind was it open for. Seems a lot of work to put in only to remove it again. It was taken down in 1985 when front was covered. So it only lasted 35yrs. On paper it wasn't a wise investment: after 65,840 for the New Year derby in 1950 there were just 13 more occasions competitive Hibs attendances exceeded 45k... 7 versus Hearts, OF, Aberdeen and East Fife (league decider) from 1951 to 1954; the New Year derbies in 1956, 1958 and 1960; Scottish Cup QFs v Rangers in 1965 and 1973; plus a league game v Celtic in 1974... and 7 of those 13 were only in higher 40s. Even the European Cup SF didn't surpass it nor the Fairs Cup QF v Barcelona. Hopes of staging regular high profile cup-ties and internationals never materialised. During the 35yrs in question ER had 1x Scotland B v England B (16k); 1x Scotland v Scotland B (7k); 1x Scotland v Scottish League (45k); 1x U23 international (32k v Netherlands) and 4x U21 (all modest); 4x Scottish Cup SFs/replays (23k, 33k, 27k, 58k for Hearts v Raith in 1956); probably also a few League Cup SFs/replays. However as capacities began to be restricted - especially after the Ibrox disaster and Safety at Sport Grounds Act - it did allow capacity to stay higher than otherwise. Although that was hardly needed from mid-1970s as general crowds further contracted, the club failed to qualify for Europe and slipped down the league (briefly into the First Division!). Still... a monument to optimism. Edited March 7 by HibeeJibee 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 The camera gantry on stilts at the back looks as safe as houses! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Here are some shots showing the equivalent - rather more modest - 'shelf' on the east terrace at Hampden which was built in 1937. I don't think any other Scottish ground added such a clearly 'distinct' upper terrace but somebody may know otherwise. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Hard to believe that 4,500 would watch a league match between Arbroath and Albion Rovers but that happened on 8 March 1947. Game ended 3-3 (HT 0-3), Arbroath equalised in the 89th minute. The Stein at centre half for Albion Rovers was a 24 year old Jock Stein. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The Scottish player coaches at Mandurah City in the Western Australian State League 1 (level 2 in WA, 3 in Australia). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 19 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: It was taken down in 1985 when front was covered. So it only lasted 35yrs. On paper it wasn't a wise investment: after 65,840 for the New Year derby in 1950 there were just 13 more occasions competitive Hibs attendances exceeded 45k... 7 versus Hearts, OF, Aberdeen and East Fife (league decider) from 1951 to 1954; the New Year derbies in 1956, 1958 and 1960; Scottish Cup QFs v Rangers in 1965 and 1973; plus a league game v Celtic in 1974... and 7 of those 13 were only in higher 40s. Even the European Cup SF didn't surpass it nor the Fairs Cup QF v Barcelona. Hopes of staging regular high profile cup-ties and internationals never materialised. During the 35yrs in question ER had 1x Scotland B v England B (16k); 1x Scotland v Scotland B (7k); 1x Scotland v Scottish League (45k); 1x U23 international (32k v Netherlands) and 4x U21 (all modest); 4x Scottish Cup SFs/replays (23k, 33k, 27k, 58k for Hearts v Raith in 1956); probably also a few League Cup SFs/replays. However as capacities began to be restricted - especially after the Ibrox disaster and Safety at Sport Grounds Act - it did allow capacity to stay higher than otherwise. Although that was hardly needed from mid-1970s as general crowds further contracted, the club failed to qualify for Europe and slipped down the league (briefly into the First Division!). Still... a monument to optimism. Think the keeper in the first of those pics is Ronnie Simpson in his Newcastle Utd days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 07/03/2024 at 22:12, HibeeJibee said: Here are some shots showing the equivalent - rather more modest - 'shelf' on the east terrace at Hampden which was built in 1937. I don't think any other Scottish ground added such a clearly 'distinct' upper terrace but somebody may know otherwise. What amazes me about those photo is the sheer volume of people - it's hard to imagine being amongst such a mass of folk. Obviously, being a Dundee fan it's not something I'm likely to become familiar with! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollstar Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 07/03/2024 at 14:12, HibeeJibee said: Here are some shots showing the equivalent - rather more modest - 'shelf' on the east terrace at Hampden which was built in 1937. Believe it or not, they were about the same size. If anything I've over-estimated the area for the Easter Road one as I couldn't get the area tool to work on the later map here and estimated, on the generous side, where it would be on the older map. The later map shows all the staircases, and you can also see that they moved the bowls club when the terracing was extended. Here is a link to the amazing National Library of Scotland maps website, centred on 2nd and 3rd Hampdens: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.6&lat=55.82908&lon=-4.25449&layers=170s&b=1&o=100 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 This is one of the finest threads on P&B. Some incredible photos and knowledge being shared. Thank you everyone who contributes and comments. Brilliant work! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 28 minutes ago, rollstar said: Believe it or not, they were about the same size. If anything I've over-estimated the area for the Easter Road one as I couldn't get the area tool to work on the later map here and estimated, on the generous side, where it would be on the older map. The later map shows all the staircases, and you can also see that they moved the bowls club when the terracing was extended. Here is a link to the amazing National Library of Scotland maps website, centred on 2nd and 3rd Hampdens: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.6&lat=55.82908&lon=-4.25449&layers=170s&b=1&o=100 Oh no, he's given a link to a map website, there go my plans for the day. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Shaftesbury were a short lived side from Patrick active between 1876-1878 & were named after Lord Shaftesbury who laid the foundations for the Lenzie (later Woodilee) hospital in 1871. The side played out of Ashton Park behind the Western Infirmary on University Avenue that was used by the awfully named City FC who sprung up not long after Shaftesbury folded themselves only lasting until 1881. No idea about any dustbins though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopface Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, GNU_Linux said: Shaftesbury were a short lived side from Patrick active between 1876-1878 & were named after Lord Shaftesbury who laid the foundations for the Lenzie (later Woodilee) hospital in 1871. The side played out of Ashton Park behind the Western Infirmary on University Avenue that was used by the awfully named City FC who sprung up not long after Shaftesbury folded themselves only lasting until 1881. No idea about any dustbins though. Was strangers common parlance for away teams in days of yore? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 12 hours ago, hk blues said: What amazes me about those photo is the sheer volume of people - it's hard to imagine being amongst such a mass of folk. Obviously, being a Dundee fan it's not something I'm likely to become familiar with! Don't suppose you can experience 150,000 people together anywhere in Scotland today (let alone 230,000 like Boys Brigade Conventicle at Hampden in 1933!). Murrayfield holds 68,000... T-in-the-Park's biggest day (in 2009) was 85,000. 9 hours ago, rollstar said: Believe it or not, they were about the same size. If anything I've over-estimated the area for the Easter Road one as I couldn't get the area tool to work on the later map here and estimated, on the generous side, where it would be on the older map. The later map shows all the staircases, and you can also see that they moved the bowls club when the terracing was extended. Edited March 9 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Found myself down a Douglas Park cul-de-sac on Canmore and Google Maps earlier. I remember walking down a lane to get from the street to the terracing entrance. Don't recall if there was a separate lane for home and away fans. This one seems too close to the home section. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 6 hours ago, chopface said: Was strangers common parlance for away teams in days of yore? Yes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: Don't suppose you can experience 150,000 people together anywhere in Scotland today (let alone 230,000 like Boys Brigade Conventicle at Hampden in 1933!). Murrayfield holds 68,000... T-in-the-Park's biggest day (in 2009) was 85,000. Apparently there were 300,000 people at Edinburgh's Hogmanay in 1996. It seems to be limited to 50,000 now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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