Trogdor Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 9 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: Yeah, we won’t be signing anyone tomorrow and we’ll find out that we don’t have Jack Young at around 1pm. 5 minutes ago, Rb123 said: FTFY Come on guys, we can't give the opposition a competitive advantage. Best keep them guessing. Spoiler 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Rb123 said: FTFY I was trying to give them a tiny, and I mean tiny bit of credit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: I was trying to give them a tiny, and I mean tiny bit of credit. More fool you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeDiego Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Anything other than a win today and BGM has to be binned, surely to f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ComradeDiego said: Anything other than a win today and BGM has to be binned, surely to f**k. If we don't win today it's 1 win in 10, occasional draws don't paper over anything that's relegation form Edited January 2 by itzdrk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 15 minutes ago, itzdrk said: If we don't win today it's 1 win in 10, occasional draws don't paper over anything that's relegation form Shhhhh! Some people still think we’re mid-table. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, Nelson said: Shhhhh! Some people still think we’re mid-table. what exactly do you think constitutes mid table in a league of 10, is it exactly fifth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 Just now, Nelson said: Shhhhh! Some people still think we’re mid-table. Given the state of the league it is possible to be both mid table and in a relegation fight. Anyway, we could lose heavily today and I don’t think he’d be sacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Unless we lost several in a row, I can't see him being sacked. I don't get the impression he's really even under that much pressure; I think this season is a bit of a filler one, rather than a real attempt to kick on from last season. The form is similar to when Kerr and Duffy got binned and Hopkin walked, so not sure why Bullen isn't being held to the same standards and some elements of our support are all too willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by making excuses such as finishing 2nd, or the fact that it's not clear who the recruitment ultimately lies with. I don't know what the thoughts of Smith and Mathie are, but there seems to be a large element of the support who think Bullen can do no wrong because he's a good communicator in the press and really good at playing buzz-word bingo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 23 minutes ago, ComradeDiego said: Anything other than a win today and BGM has to be binned, surely to f**k. I don't think that's a thought that Mathie or Smith have even considered, even with a loss today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 13 hours ago, Iain said: More fool you Well, yeah. Nothing so far this morning. For all the driving the club forward chat, we truly are awful at the basics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 10 minutes ago, super_carson said: I don't know what the thoughts of Smith and Mathie are, but there seems to be a large element of the support who think Bullen can do no wrong because he's a good communicator in the press and really good at playing buzz-word bingo. I don't think it's as large an element. Unfortunately, it's largely the sycophants in the hub who are in a cult like state wrt. Bullen and the folk who don't go to games like those on the SRE. Smith and Mathie may think he's supported as they only engage with the former group. They should have a chat along the terraces as they'll soon be left in no doubt as to the majority view. I go to the football in a group of 4 and the last hold out who wasn't Bullen Out is now with us. He is unpopular, I think the apathy of the support is masking that though. The support is a bit lethargic at the moment. Having watched such putrid football at home has maybe done that. It's been mostly grim for a calendar year at Somerset Park. Edit - The other factor at play is the North Terrace. I think many are loathe to criticise when so much is being invested in the stand. I get that viewpoint but I am a firm believer in the standards you accept becoming the standards you expect. We've just not been good enough and we need to express that. Edited January 2 by Trogdor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 7 minutes ago, super_carson said: Unless we lost several in a row, I can't see him being sacked. I don't get the impression he's really even under that much pressure; I think this season is a bit of a filler one, rather than a real attempt to kick on from last season. The form is similar to when Kerr and Duffy got binned and Hopkin walked, so not sure why Bullen isn't being held to the same standards and some elements of our support are all too willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by making excuses such as finishing 2nd, or the fact that it's not clear who the recruitment ultimately lies with. I don't know what the thoughts of Smith and Mathie are, but there seems to be a large element of the support who think Bullen can do no wrong because he's a good communicator in the press and really good at playing buzz-word bingo. I would say staying in the league probably trumps form when the metrics are being reviewed. At the time Smiths hand was forced into wielding the axe. Tbh that stage might not be too many results away although it could go either way. Maybe the leadership predicted another erratic league or perhaps they just got lucky. Product on the pitch may be dreadful at times but getting to the end of the season in 8th probably all that matters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: I don't think it's as large an element. Unfortunately, it's largely the sycophants in the hub who are in a cult like state wrt. Bullen and the folk who don't go to games like those on the SRE. Smith and Mathie may think he's supported as they only engage with the former group. They should have a chat along the terraces as they'll soon be left in no doubt as to the majority view. I go to the football in a group of 4 and the last hold out who wasn't Bullen Out is now with us. He is unpopular, I think the apathy of the support is masking that though. The support is a bit lethargic at the moment. Having watched such putrid football at home has maybe done that. It's been mostly grim for a calendar year at Somerset Park. That's fair, perhaps I should have said vocal element. The point about apathy is a pertinent one. Any momentum from what was (on paper) a good season in terms of league position was squandered massively in that embarrassing play off capitulation and with the good awful home form in the last year and a half. The club aren't exactly offering a product on the pitch to inspire punters through the gates. Where does that sit within the plan to grow the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Unless we are anchored to the bottom of the table by a decent margin, nothing will happen. Much like last season, other teams results will keep us 5-9th until the last 5 games. It'll be seen as a battling side, full of belief when we limp over the line while other clubs do us favours. We will come out this window in a worse shape than we went in to it, much like the summer one. However, it looks like the clubs round about us will be the same. Unless we can sign 3-4 quality players AND keep the players going back to their parent clubs, I don't see us finishing above 5th, Dundee United, Raith, Partick and Dunfermline all have better squads than us. I'm not worried about going down at the moment, I'm more worried for next season. With the current recruitment issues and player development, we are becoming a junior team, 12 players out, 12 players in every summer, hoping that some of the shit flung at the wall sticks. No plan of building a squad over the next 2-3 windows that will have us stronger and every time it becomes apparent to everyone that we are failing, Mathie releases a video that somehow makes things worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 This "modern" approach to running the club isn't going well, is it? Maybe it's time to acknowledge that it's not delivering results on the park and bin the idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said: Unless we are anchored to the bottom of the table by a decent margin, nothing will happen. Much like last season, other teams results will keep us 5-9th until the last 5 games. It'll be seen as a battling side, full of belief when we limp over the line while other clubs do us favours. We will come out this window in a worse shape than we went in to it, much like the summer one. However, it looks like the clubs round about us will be the same. Unless we can sign 3-4 quality players AND keep the players going back to their parent clubs, I don't see us finishing above 5th, Dundee United, Raith, Partick and Dunfermline all have better squads than us. I'm not worried about going down at the moment, I'm more worried for next season. With the current recruitment issues and player development, we are becoming a junior team, 12 players out, 12 players in every summer, hoping that some of the shit flung at the wall sticks. No plan of building a squad over the next 2-3 windows that will have us stronger and every time it becomes apparent to everyone that we are failing, Mathie releases a video that somehow makes things worse. I don’t see how Dunfermline have a better squad than us tbh. At worst we should be challenging them for fourth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 46 minutes ago, UpInTheAyr said: what exactly do you think constitutes mid table in a league of 10, is it exactly fifth? I don’t think there really is much of a mid table in the Championship. Raith managed to find a no man’s land last season, but I’d say that’s pretty unusual. You’re either challenging for the top 4 or battling relegation. And we are most certainly battling relegation. The positives are that we are not detached and still in a position to average 10 points a quarter which ought to be enough to keep us away from 9th. I’ve no idea how the transfer window is going to go - at the moment it feels we could be weaker given our over reliance on loan players. The negative is that our form is simply dreadful and we’re at a point where rueful post match excuses just aren’t cutting it for me. I fully expect Morton to out muscle us again today, but Saturday is an absolute must win - no ifs or buts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 24 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said: Unless we are anchored to the bottom of the table by a decent margin, nothing will happen. Much like last season, other teams results will keep us 5-9th until the last 5 games. It'll be seen as a battling side, full of belief when we limp over the line while other clubs do us favours. We will come out this window in a worse shape than we went in to it, much like the summer one. However, it looks like the clubs round about us will be the same. Unless we can sign 3-4 quality players AND keep the players going back to their parent clubs, I don't see us finishing above 5th, Dundee United, Raith, Partick and Dunfermline all have better squads than us. I'm not worried about going down at the moment, I'm more worried for next season. With the current recruitment issues and player development, we are becoming a junior team, 12 players out, 12 players in every summer, hoping that some of the shit flung at the wall sticks. No plan of building a squad over the next 2-3 windows that will have us stronger and every time it becomes apparent to everyone that we are failing, Mathie releases a video that somehow makes things worse. The last point is a good one. We are running now with a backroom team that has people specialist in areas such as recruitment , coaching . fitness, motivation and recovery. If you are to break down those areas down further and look at specific remit i wonder how much of this is finding it's way to be a success on the park. What you describe is like a regressive method pf McCalls set up who required full time football, couple of mates ,a notebook and pencil to take the club foward.. If we are to be competitive or even more watchable next season it will require an injection of cash and some decent transfer activity in the summer. That may well happen but it's a different route from the steady ,build the foundations, long term approach that's been sold 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, UpInTheAyr said: what exactly do you think constitutes mid table in a league of 10, is it exactly fifth? Don’t be silly, it’s 5.5. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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