Mexico v Scotland Sun 3rd June 2018

[Lurkst]

2 hours ago, velo army said:

Slovenia have been undefeated at home for ages. We should have done it, but are not alone in failing to do so. This is classic scottish cringe nonsense.  

 

16 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

A point against Slovenia away wasn’t a bad result in isolation. And yes I think we would have won with Armstrong, McGregor and Brown al starting.

What cost us was the hopeless performances from the Premiership/Championship core at the start of the campaign.

 

Thises.

The howling performances v Lithuania at home and Slovakia away left us with far too much to do.

 

[CM.]

8 hours ago, Lurkst said:

Who's this?

 

Lewis Morgan. 

 

 

[Lurkst]

5 minutes ago, C. Muir said:

Lewis Morgan. 

Aye, it was the on loan to Hibs bit that threw me. Presumably D.A.F.C. is talking about the future?  A bit of an assumption to say Morgan's finished after just being voted Championship player of the year and making his full international debut!

 

[TheScarf]

43 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:

 

A point against Slovenia away wasn’t a bad result in isolation. And yes I think we would have won with Armstrong, McGregor and Brown al starting.

What cost us was the hopeless performances from the Premiership/Championship core at the start of the campaign.

 

Yep,  Phillips, Bannan, McArthur, Snodgrass etc should be no-where near the starting 11 with the Celtic lads available.

[pandarilla]

Yep,  Phillips, Bannan, McArthur, Snodgrass etc should be no-where near the starting 11 with the Celtic lads available.

Snodgrass blows hot and cold though. When he's hot, he's been one of our best players. He probably wasn't dropped soon enough when the arse feel out of his form.

[1320Lichtie]

Snodgrass blows hot and cold though. When he's hot, he's been one of our best players. He probably wasn't dropped soon enough when the arse feel out of his form.

Snodgrass hasn’t been good for ages. When Strachan first come in he was really good for us, remember him being good towards the end of the campaign we had already messed up but since then I don’t think he’s done anything. Too slow and too hit or miss. I can’t believe guys like Russell or Fraser haven’t had more of a chance in recent years.

[JamesM82]

7 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

Snodgrass hasn’t been good for ages. When Strachan first come in he was really good for us, remember him being good towards the end of the campaign we had already messed up but since then I don’t think he’s done anything. Too slow and too hit or miss. I can’t believe guys like Russell or Fraser haven’t had more of a chance in recent years.

 

Snodgrass hasn't been the same player since he fucked his knee about four years ago on his debut for Hull. He's basically a set-piece merchant now, offers very little in general play.

[Bully Wee Villa]

That's not true, on the basis I've what I've seen in the last season. He's class, I would like to sign him permanently but, unfortunately, we are skint.

[EdiBairn]

5 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Yep,  Phillips, Bannan, McArthur, Snodgrass etc should be no-where near the starting 11 with the Celtic lads available.

Utter nonsense. If the 'Celtic lads' are so much better, how come they're playing at a far lower level than the players you've just mentioned?

If they're not playing well for Scotland, the tactics and management have to be questioned. A right winger playing for a team that finished 10th in the 2nd best league in Europe  is going to be a better player than one playing(or not playing) at right wing for a team in the 26th best, 99 times out of 100.

Too many on here have bought into the media hype regarding Celtic and their players. They finished 9 points ahead of a team with a fifth of their budget in the 26th best league in Europe, and have been absolutely pumped any time they've come up against a decent team. Their players aren't world beaters.

[John Lambies Doos]

Utter nonsense. If the 'Celtic lads' are so much better, how come they're playing at a far lower level than the players you've just mentioned?
If they're not playing well for Scotland, the tactics and management have to be questioned. A right winger playing for a team that finished 10th in the 2nd best league in Europe  is going to be a better player than one playing(or not playing) at right wing for a team in the 26th best, 99 times out of 100.
Too many on here have bought into the media hype regarding Celtic and their players. They finished 9 points ahead of a team with a fifth of their budget in the 26th best league in Europe, and have been absolutely pumped any time they've come up against a decent team. Their players aren't world beaters.

Kinda see point of your post but surely you're not claiming that the English Championship is the 2nd best league in Europe

[1320Lichtie]

Utter nonsense. If the 'Celtic lads' are so much better, how come they're playing at a far lower level than the players you've just mentioned?
If they're not playing well for Scotland, the tactics and management have to be questioned. A right winger playing for a team that finished 10th in the 2nd best league in Europe  is going to be a better player than one playing(or not playing) at right wing for a team in the 26th best, 99 times out of 100.
Too many on here have bought into the media hype regarding Celtic and their players. They finished 9 points ahead of a team with a fifth of their budget in the 26th best league in Europe, and have been absolutely pumped any time they've come up against a decent team. Their players aren't world beaters.

You’re at it. That can be the only reason for some of the things you’re coming away with.

[EdiBairn]

2 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said:

 

Kinda see point of your post but surely you're not claiming that the English Championship is the 2nd best league in Europe

 

I'm talking about the Premier League and Matt Ritchie.

[EdiBairn]

2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

You’re at it. That can be the only reason for some of the things you’re coming away with.
 

 

If you honestly think you know better than hundreds of Premier League scouts and think Callum McGregor and James Forest are better footballers than established Premier League players, good luck to you.

[1320Lichtie]

If Forrest, McGregor and Armstrong were that good, they'd be off to the premier league in a heartbeat. They're not, which means they're playing for a Celtic side that's been absolutely trounced whenever it's come up against decent opposition in Europe.
If Armstrong and McGregor were "miles in front" of Cairney and McDonald, Fulham would be signing them, which they're not. No PL side has shown any interest at all.
If we're going to be able to compete with the teams we need to to qualify for tournaments, we need to use the players who have experience in playing at that level every week.
I don't really care who we have to drop to play these players. There are several PL teams chasing Snodgrass- I don't see anyone fighting over James Forrest.
I'd have:
Gordon
Tierney Hanley Berra Robertson
McTominay Cairney McDonald 
Ritchie Snodgrass Fraser
 
You then have options like Burke, McArthur, Rhodes and Griffiths to come off the bench.

If you’re not at it, then why did you post this team???

[TheScarf]

19 minutes ago, EdiBairn said:

Utter nonsense. If the 'Celtic lads' are so much better, how come they're playing at a far lower level than the players you've just mentioned?

If they're not playing well for Scotland, the tactics and management have to be questioned. A right winger playing for a team that finished 10th in the 2nd best league in Europe  is going to be a better player than one playing(or not playing) at right wing for a team in the 26th best, 99 times out of 100.

Too many on here have bought into the media hype regarding Celtic and their players. They finished 9 points ahead of a team with a fifth of their budget in the 26th best league in Europe, and have been absolutely pumped any time they've come up against a decent team. Their players aren't world beaters.

The Scotland side improved 10 fold with the introduction of Armstrong, McGregor and Tierney.  They did a far better job than Phillips, McArthur, Anya etc did at the start of the last campaign.

[EdiBairn]

1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

If you’re not at it, then why did you post this team???

 

Because it's the team that gives us the best chance of qualifying IMO. We don't have any good natural strikers, but we're overflowing with other attacking players, so it makes sense to play them. Cairney and McDonald have been outstanding for Fulham this season and are about to play in the PL.

Hanley and Berra isn't great at CB but we don't have many other options.

[EdiBairn]

3 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

The Scotland side improved 10 fold with the introduction of Armstrong, McGregor and Tierney.  They did a far better job than Phillips, McArthur, Anya etc did at the start of the last campaign.

The problem with the last campaign was a clueless manager not the players selected.

[King Kebab]

Kinda see point of your post but surely you're not claiming that the English Championship is the 2nd best league in Europe

So is it the best of the 2nd best leagues in the Europe then???

[1320Lichtie]

Because it's the team that gives us the best chance of qualifying IMO. We don't have any good natural strikers, but we're overflowing with other attacking players, so it makes sense to play them. Cairney and McDonald have been outstanding for Fulham this season and are about to play in the PL.
Hanley and Berra isn't great at CB but we don't have many other options.

Maybe they have been, but they’ve been utter pish for Scotland, they’ve looked slow and well off the pace.

Who is a better player, Barry Douglas or Keirran Tierney?

If Armstrong was to move to Newcastle or Burnley would that automatically make him a better player than the ones you’ve mentioned?

The best leagues don’t always have the best players. The best leagues are the best leagues because of the top teams in them, not because of dross like Palace, West Brom or Fulham.

There’s so many Scottish players like that, just bang average in the English leagues, there are better players than them up here, look at Murphy, Dorrans and Martin, all so similar to the guys you’ve mentioned. All so very recently EPL players, got their arses handed to them by the Celtic midfield and Griffiths.

Your suggested team is absolutely mince and you’re either at it or clueless.

[EdiBairn]

5 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said:

 

Maybe they have been, but they’ve been utter pish for Scotland, they’ve looked slow and well off the pace.

Who is a better player, Barry Douglas or Keirran Tierney?

If Armstrong was to move to Newcastle or Burnley would that automatically make him a better player than the ones you’ve mentioned?

The best leagues don’t always have the best players. The best leagues are the best leagues because of the top teams in them, not because of dross like Palace, West Brom or Fulham.

There’s so many Scottish players like that, just bang average in the English leagues, there are better players than them up here, look at Murphy, Dorrans and Martin, all so similar to the guys you’ve mentioned. All so very recently EPL players, got their arses handed to them by the Celtic midfield and Griffiths.

Your suggested team is absolutely mince and you’re either at it or clueless.

 

Tierney is the 1% exception to the 99%. "Dross" like Crystal Palace or Fulham would comfortably beat any Scottish Premiership team, including Celtic. The levels of the leagues are so different now.

Murphy, Dorrans and Martin weren't getting a game for their teams when they came up here. Cairney and McDonald are playing every week for a reason. If they're not replicating their form for Scotland, there's clearly an issue with tactics or more likely us having clueless idiots as managers.