ICTJohnboy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: On what planet are they expecting to get an overall majority giving them the power to ignore the referendum and revoke? The only real world commitment they've made is not to support a Labour Government in order to get a referendum. 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: The labour position is perfectly well defined tbh 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Yes it is. If you have the slightest interest in politics it’s easy to follow. Sadly most folk, including the ones that vote, have zero interest. Labour’s policy is very easy for the MSM to present as more convoluted than it actually is. So his easy to follow, well defined position is to sit on the fence and let the people decide? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 On 12/09/2019 at 19:53, Donathan said: They're shit scared of losing their seats but the reality is those northern hell holes like Wigan (Lisa Nandy), Don Valley (Caroline Flint) and Stoke-on-Trent Central (Gareth Snell) are safe as houses Labour areas who would elect a monkey in a red badge. Most Labour voters in these seats voted Remain. The only reason the seats themselves backed Brexit is because of the support of first time voters who Farage managed to get out on the day to vote to leave. These gammons never vote in general elections and Nandy etc should really stop worrying so much about what they think. A monkey in a red badge would not be safe in Hartlepool. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: So his easy to follow, well defined position is to sit on the fence and let the people decide? A quick 2nd referendum with a Soft Brexit or Revoke choice would be fine IMO. The collective head's gone from No Deal gammons, the DUP over losing the backstop, entrenched right wing media and No voters if he agrees to a ScotRef2 would almost make it worth having him in power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Fullerene said: A monkey in a red badge would not be safe in Hartlepool. Wrong. The Hartlepool constituency was established in 1974 and Labour has won it at every election since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Somebody want to tell him about the french speaking monkey? Wrong. The Hartlepool constituency was established in 1974 and Labour has won it at every election since. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Somebody want to tell him about the french speaking monkey?Non! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Nope, as said many times, get an exit deal agreed, put it to a vote with remain as the other option, campaign for remain. So what Corbyn wants to do is negotiate a new exit deal, then campaign to vote against it? He, and his party have obviously got great faith in his negotiating skills! Edited September 18, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: So what Corbyn wants to do is negotiate a new exit deal, then campaign to vote against it? He, and his party have obviously got great faith in his negotiating skills! I'm expecting the conference to agree that members and MPs will be free to campaign for either a renegotiated soft brexit or remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 27 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: So what Corbyn wants to do is negotiate a new exit deal, then campaign to vote against it? He, and his party have obviously got great faith in his negotiating skills! No he's said he will stay neutral which is smart. It means he's an honest broker making the deal and it means he doesn't have to resign if the result goes against him which adds stability to the rest of the manifesto pledges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm expecting the conference to agree that members and MPs will be free to campaign for either a renegotiated soft brexit or remain. That just makes me feel this could go on forever and a day. Right now, Swinson's plan looks to me to bre the most appealing. I also suspect that all those who forced all these votes through the house (that Boris lost) would agree with her on that. eta... The EU have also been making noises over objecting to another extension. Edited September 18, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: That just makes me feel this could go on forever and a day. Right now, Swinson's plan looks to me to bre the most appealing. I also suspect that all those who forced all these votes through the house (that Boris lost) would agree with her on that. I disagree. In the hugely unlikely event that the Lib Dems got an overall majority in a GE it would be by far less a vote than the 52% who voted Leave. Many of those who voted to block a hard brexit on Oct 31st backed May's deal and would see the Lib Dem policy as undemocratic. Of course the Lib Dems have zero chance of winning the election so it's just a cynical ploy to look more remainy than Labour, despite campaigning for the last three years for a second referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 The Guardian are giving the impression of swinging behind Corbyn after the disastrous Lb Dem conference (imo). A picture that doesn't make him look shifty for a change. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/17/corbyn-vows-to-put-sensible-brexit-deal-to-voters-in-referendumThe Financial Times are pretty much already there as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 They’re finally yeeting Tom Watson out of the deputy leadership 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Harman’s CLP don’t want her to go for the Speaker’s position. Hopefully they’ll dump her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 No wait they’re apparently going to yeet the deputy leadership. Imagine being so shite at your job that they abolish its existence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 It’s about time they binned Watson but they should be removing him from the post rather than abolishing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 What a fucking drama queen. A deputy leader is meant to be out and about backing the party and leader, not undermining him at every opportunity. It's a daft position anyway, the Tories don't bother having one anymore. Tom Watson: plan to remove me as deputy leader is 'drive-by shooting' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Corbyn shitting the bed again. They really need someone more ruthless in charge at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Granny Danger said: It’s about time they binned Watson but they should be removing him from the post rather than abolishing it. Corbyn's the one that should be binned. This once great party needs a leader like never before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 This is why I’ll always vote for independence no matter how shite the SNP are. The UK left have an unimaginably massive battle ahead of them and they can’t even see off Tom Watson. [emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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