Salt n Vinegar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: Its more nuanced than that, especially when the Indy/Unionist question comes into play. I live in Edinburgh South for Westminster, (Edinburgh Southern for Holyrood) and "Morningside Tories" vote Labour tactically in order that no SNP MP/MSP gets in. This has been obvious for some time, but is made evern more obvious when you see the breakdown of FPTP and Regional Holyrood votes for the tories in this constituency. Both Ian Murray and Daniel Johnson campaign on "lend us your vote" to local tories. Even in the local council here, the SNP are the largest single party but Labour and the Tories (ffs !) are in a "loose alliance" to run Edinburgh - think there are 3 or 4 other councils which have the same problem. I voted Labour as a youngster, and this kind of cosying up to the b*****d fucking Tory party is one of the reasons I despise Scottish Labour. True enough. I know some Labour ex-Councillors and I can't imagine for one second that they approve of Labour working with the Tories. Didn't Labour in Edinburgh make an ar$e of the negotiations/voting process for the coming financial year's budget and Edinburgh now has a Tory one? Well done Labour. Oddly, I didn't hear Starmer commenting on these issues on his recent Scottish safaris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Didn't Labour in Edinburgh make an ar$e of the negotiations/voting process for the coming financial year's budget and Edinburgh now has a Tory one? Deliberate. They wanted the tory budget without actively appearing to support it. They could only do that by making an arse of their own budget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Not much of a surprise but to be confirmed today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Suspect Device said: Not much of a surprise but to be confirmed today. Bit surprised TBH. I thought that Starmer wouldn't try to split the Labour Party until a bit nearer the time of the next election. Seems to me that all he's done is annoying the left to try to impress the right. It'll be interesting to see reaction from the membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Bit surprised TBH. I thought that Starmer wouldn't try to split the Labour Party until a bit nearer the time of the next election. Seems to me that all he's done is annoying the left to try to impress the right. It'll be interesting to see reaction from the membership. Some will be raging, others will be delighted to see the back of Corbyn and an awful lot won't care. Labour want to win in 2024 and dumping Corbyn is for Starmar a sacrifice to middle England that has to be made. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Everything Starmer does seems to be a sacrifice to middle England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Iain said: Everything Starmer does seems to be a sacrifice to middle England. The way things are going at Westminster, give it a few years and the UK Tory and Labour Parties will be able to hold joint annual conferences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 It’s got nothing to do with trying appease “middle England”. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: It’s got nothing to do with trying appease “middle England”. Are xenophobia and union-busting traditional Labour values? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Iain said: Are xenophobia and union-busting traditional Labour values? No, but stopping Corbyn standing at the next election is nothing to do with appeasing middle England, which is what I was talking about. Edited March 27, 2023 by MazzyStar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Even the BBC were acknowledging today the biggest gulf in UK politics is between Tory and SNP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 hours ago, AndyM said: Labour want to win in 2024 No they don't. Labour are not even in that election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 What I'm increasingly noticing is that there is more and more 'new' faces bring rolled out by Labour in the media and increasingly, I'm unable to really see much differences in how they act and what they say from the Tories. Sure, they argue over things, but nothing of real substance. Beit sale of council houses, brexit, devolution etc. Corbyn was too left for Labour, but for me, Labour is now veering onto right of centre now. They are more akin to the Democrats in the US than even new Labour. I'm no Corbyn fan, but surely you need guys like him and previously Benn etc to be a break on any party moving too far to the centre. Tories have the opposite problem, they have lost the pull to the centre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 With Corbyn now banned from being a Labour candidate, has the party now flushed out all those nasty reds under the bed? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 23 hours ago, Crùbag said: Even the BBC were acknowledging today the biggest gulf in UK politics is between Tory and SNP. It certainly was between Tory and Sturgeon SNP, which I assume will continue under Yusaf. The Daily Mail is, like the right wing of the SNP, lamenting the fall of Forbes. A left wing voter in Scotland still has at least two influential voting options. It’s arguable if English pinkos even have one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 There was a Labour MP on the BBC2 Politics Show today who out Toryed the Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There was a Labour MP on the BBC2 Politics Show today who out Toryed the Tory. I'd have thought that Starmer would have more to do than appear on a lunchtime programme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Highlandmagar said: With Corbyn now banned from being a Labour candidate, has the party now flushed out all those nasty reds under the bed? Shut up, Blairite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Shut up, Blairite. Lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Lol ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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