Freedom Farter Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Orban is a keen supporter of the historical revisionism common in central and eastern Europe where Nazi collaborators are recast as the good guys. The Day of Honour commemoration each year is a parade for those Hungarian Nazis. An Italian teacher living in Hungary took part in a protest against it and had been in jail for 15 months as a result until these EU elections. The left-green alliance in Italy had entered her as a candidate on the Italian ballot and she won. This means Hungary now have to release her due to MEPs having immunity: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/10/italian-activist-ilaria-salis-to-be-released-following-her-election-as-an-mep 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 44 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: Orban is a keen supporter of the historical revisionism common in central and eastern Europe where Nazi collaborators are recast as the good guys. The Day of Honour commemoration each year is a parade for those Hungarian Nazis. An Italian teacher living in Hungary took part in a protest against it and had been in jail for 15 months as a result until these EU elections. The left-green alliance in Italy had entered her as a candidate on the Italian ballot and she won. This means Hungary now have to release her due to MEPs having immunity: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/10/italian-activist-ilaria-salis-to-be-released-following-her-election-as-an-mep Historical revisionism is a term that could well define the next five or ten years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 6 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Historical revisionism is a term that could well define the next five or ten years. Odds on the first EU nation to propose a "the holocaust didn't happen" resolution? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) France's Republicans ditch leader over far-right alliance deal - BBC News Head of Conservatives in France (polling 8-9%) last night proposed a pact with far right; got denounced by leader in parliament; and has been deposed. Will be a pact of Labour-Greens-far left-extreme left-communists. Aggregate of 3 polls since Macron called election: 33-35% Far right 27-34% leftist pact 16-19% Centrists/Liberals (government) 8-9% Conservatives 4-5% Extreme right 1-2% Gaullists 0-3% Trotskyists 0-2% Ecologists +0-4% others Edited June 12 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 7 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: France's Republicans ditch leader over far-right alliance deal - BBC News Head of Conservatives in France (polling 8-9%) last night proposed a pact with far right; got denounced by leader in parliament; and has been deposed. Will be a pact of Labour-Greens-far left-extreme left-communists (27-31%). Sorry to keep doing this, but what's the difference between the French extreme left and the communists? I've a horrible feeling it might be People's Front of Judea/Judean People's Front territory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 The Trotskyists not invited to the leftist pact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Just now, BFTD said: Sorry to keep doing this, but what's the difference between the French extreme left and the communists? I've a horrible feeling it might be People's Front of Judea/Judean People's Front territory. I couldn't claim to understand in detail, but the Extreme Left (LFI) is populist and eurosceptic - they seem to be like BSW in Germany; the Far Left (PRG) kept out of a radical alliance some years ago - a continuing minority - and are more liberal; the Communists (PCF) are as-it-says-on-the-tin, and former Marxist-Leninists... 6 minutes ago, Cheese said: The Trotskyists not invited to the leftist pact. ...hence presumably a cold shoulder to allying with Trotskyists (LO). Incidentally the LO has its own mini-'alliance' with the Anticapitalists (NPA) - and the PRG an 'alliance' with a federation of tiny socialist parties (FGR). No wonder French politics appears gubbed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: The Trotskyists not invited to the leftist pact. Good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 11/06/2024 at 05:14, dirty dingus said: Incompetence? The flagship BBC politics show Question Time has a producer and audience picker who has in the past invited the EDL to apply to be on the show, shared and liked posts by Britain First was a member of Facebook group British Patriotic Front. She selects racist and bigots like Billy Mitchell who's been on the show numerous times and Sherri Peach a former candidate for the NF and a Free Tommeh lunatic. The comfortable middle class truly believe that if you put these haufwits on TV everyone will see them as haufwits and it will go badly for them. Sherri Peach came across to people who can read as a slavering maniac, and they assume everyone will see that. Their incompetence is in not understanding how large a proportion of the British public will agree with it. You talk to these people about racism and they'll say things like it needs to be pulled out into the open so it can be dealt with, otherwise it just continues in private. That's how they think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, GordonS said: The comfortable middle class truly believe that if you put these haufwits on TV everyone will see them as haufwits and it will go badly for them. Sherri Peach came across to people who can read as a slavering maniac, and they assume everyone will see that. Their incompetence is in not understanding how large a proportion of the British public will agree with it. You talk to these people about racism and they'll say things like it needs to be pulled out into the open so it can be dealt with, otherwise it just continues in private. That's how they think. I think you're giving them to much credit. Farage = QT trending on the twitter = success. Anything else is incidental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 In regard to the question of which parties they should align with the Trotskyists were upset when told to take their pick by the Stalinists... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 5 hours ago, tamthebam said: In regard to the question of which parties they should align with the Trotskyists were upset when told to take their pick by the Stalinists... Bravo, I’d been trying something witty along these lines but the idea was just stuck in my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 So the actual far-right making significant gains in all of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands and Hungary, and this is the same EU which so many folk are desperate to rejoin? These far-right groups aren't just your average 'Tory' types, they are genuine successors to Fascists of the past Of course we need a better overall relationship with Europe, but these election results make an EFTA route much more palatable, rather than trying to jump back in with the current direction of political travel of the EU's main players. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 5 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: So the actual far-right making significant gains in all of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands and Hungary, and this is the same EU which so many folk are desperate to rejoin? These far-right groups aren't just your average 'Tory' types, they are genuine successors to Fascists of the past Of course we need a better overall relationship with Europe, but these election results make an EFTA route much more palatable, rather than trying to jump back in with the current direction of political travel of the EU's main players. Honest question mate - are you Emu and now that Rod Hull’s dead you desperately want the worst version of the Labour Party in history to be elbow deep in your arse? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 I saw something else today about how Britain has managed to avoid turning to the far-right, unlike the EU. It's terrifying how (wilfully?) blind some people can be about what's happening on their own island. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 19 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: So the actual far-right making significant gains in all of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands and Hungary, and this is the same EU which so many folk are desperate to rejoin? These far-right groups aren't just your average 'Tory' types, they are genuine successors to Fascists of the past Of course we need a better overall relationship with Europe, but these election results make an EFTA route much more palatable, rather than trying to jump back in with the current direction of political travel of the EU's main players. These countries border each other. Without the EU forcing these countries to work together, there would be tanks on the border with all of them because that is how fascists like to fix things. I read that somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 19 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Honest question mate - are you Emu and now that Rod Hull’s dead you desperately want the worst version of the Labour Party in history to be elbow deep in your arse? ..and the relevance of your reply to a far-right surge across Europe is..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just blown away that the rise of the far-right across Europe (including the UK) isn't down to the SNP, so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 23 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: 22 minutes ago, BFTD said: I saw something else today about how Britain has managed to avoid turning to the far-right, unlike the EU. It's terrifying how (wilfully?) blind some people can be about what's happening on their own island. Are you seriously equating the Tories, even Reform, and (no doubt) Labour, to National Rally in France, AfD in Germany, N-V-A- in Belgium, FPO in Austria and of course Orban in Hungary? Maybe look up some of the actual policy positions of these groups (all of them with leading vote shares (AfD are in 2nd place). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Still a total absence of SNP BAD. Disgraceful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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