Marshmallo Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Two goals against a horse shit Hamilton team and you should be in the Scotland squad Cg0kLDNZp65BCZJp_1.mp4 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Nisbet will score more goals than Shankland this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said: It’s a sad day when we’re talking about dross like Nisbet and Shankland playing for Scotland. Watched a bit of that Scotland 78 shit tonight. It’s interesting when you look into how Ally McLeod really arsed up his squad selection. He picked Joe Harper who was well past his best and had twice failed in England and feckin Derek Johnstone. But he left out Andy Gray who was joint winner of England's golden boot with just a year earlier. His 29 goals helped Villa to a fourth-place finish and victory in the League Cup earned him the PFA player of the year and young player of the year awards, an achievement not matched until Cristiano Ronaldo in 2009. He left out Ian Wallace who’d scored 20+ goals with Coventry. He left out John McGovern who captained Notts Forest to the league title and then the European Cup the next season. He picked Alan Rough ahead of guys who were playing regularly in the top flight in England Jim Blyth and George Wood. He picked Willie Johnston ahead of John Robertson. He picked Bruce Ricoh ahead of Graeme Souness. He picked Don Masson ahead of Archie Gemmill. Alan Hansen had just won the European Cup but we had Tam Forsyth in the side. Willie Young was banned. Scotland actually had the players to win the World Cup in 78. We had world class players. Now we have Nisbet and Shankland Aye, but, I'm guessing you're old enough to have seen all that, and there's one thing I think this generation should point out here. There's you getting all smarmy about how good Scotland were in your day and how shite we are now. We used to produce world class players, now we produce shite. Well, during the time period we went from producing world class players to producing shite, it was you lot that were in charge. You did that. Well done. During the time your generation was in charge of the development of our kids we went from European Cup Winners to Challenge Cup Winners being produced, that's how good a job you did, and the team you left subsequent generations was shite. So maybe a little less smarm is in order. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 So when people from your generation snort at the younger generation saying we were good in your day and we're shite now, aye we know that, we were good in your day cause the generation before you did a good job of developing young players. When you were custodians of our game you lot did a shit job. We're now trying to fix the damage, but you've left us forty years behind everybody else. Not you personally you understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: I remember being at Hamden in 84 to see Scotland beat Spain 3-1 I remember going to the game expecting to see us win as well What is remarkable now looking back is the guys who didn’t play that night. Gough, Strachan & Wark were on the bench along with Charlie Nicholas. Steve Archibald who was leading scorer in La Liga with Barcelona didn’t make the bench and neither did Alan Hansen. Sharp & Gray were strike partners leading Everton to win the League and European Cup Winners Cup and they didn’t even make the squad. Can you imagine a team wining the English Premiership today with 2 Scottish strikers. Well that was the case in 84/85.... and they weren’t even good enough to make the squad. Alan Brazil had just signed for Man United from Tottenham. David Speedie was at Chelsea and Ally McCoist had emerged at Rangers. McAvennie was banging them in at St Mirren before making his name at West Ham And now we’re taking about Nisbet & Shankland.... Scotland squad has always had a fair number of players selected from the domestic league. The rest came from the English league with a smattering from abroad. Same thing happens now. No one is arguing that the quality of players in the 70s and 80s are comparable to our current options but you then go onto romanticise McAvennie "banging them in for St Mirren" yet are dismissive of Nisbet staring the season well by doing the same. You should probably switch off from current internationals and just watch lots of "glorious" retro Scotland performances and successes on YouTube on loop. By the by, this is the first time I have seen David Speedie used to support an argument to illustrate how bad our current striking options are. David Speedie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRocketman II Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: I remember being at Hamden in 84 to see Scotland beat Spain 3-1 and nor a dig at Mao per se, but whenever someone kicks off with "I was lucky enough to be at (insert stadium and year)..........", you know that you/current recipients and the likely thousands who have gone before are unlucky to be on the receiving end of a likely v long-winded tedious account. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 People hark back to these world class players but at the end of the day even with them we still achieved f**k all. "Oh mind when we had all those world class players and still got pumped out of tournaments by Peru? Glory days". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Gets a little tiring hearing the Craig Brown-esque tales of Scottish players that used to be in the upper-echelons of the English Premiership/First Division as if the entire football landscape hasn’t changed since then. Big money hadn’t come in to the game and players from abroad were very much a rarity compared to the last 15-20 years. I wish we had someone like him for Scotland at the moment but the Colin Hendry that won the league with Blackburn would likely be at a side such as West Brom, Burnley or Brighton at best now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: It’s a sad day when we’re talking about dross like Nisbet and Shankland playing for Scotland. Watched a bit of that Scotland 78 shit tonight. It’s interesting when you look into how Ally McLeod really arsed up his squad selection. He picked Joe Harper who was well past his best and had twice failed in England and feckin Derek Johnstone. But he left out Andy Gray who was joint winner of England's golden boot with just a year earlier. His 29 goals helped Villa to a fourth-place finish and victory in the League Cup earned him the PFA player of the year and young player of the year awards, an achievement not matched until Cristiano Ronaldo in 2009. He left out Ian Wallace who’d scored 20+ goals with Coventry. He left out John McGovern who captained Notts Forest to the league title and then the European Cup the next season. He picked Alan Rough ahead of guys who were playing regularly in the top flight in England Jim Blyth and George Wood. He picked Willie Johnston ahead of John Robertson. He picked Bruce Ricoh ahead of Graeme Souness. He picked Don Masson ahead of Archie Gemmill. Alan Hansen had just won the European Cup but we had Tam Forsyth in the side. Willie Young was banned. Scotland actually had the players to win the World Cup in 78. We had world class players. Now we have Nisbet and Shankland I hadn’t realised that Peru were the current Copa America champs in 1978. I wonder if anyone had mentioned this to Ally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: People hark back to these world class players but at the end of the day even with them we still achieved f**k all. "Oh mind when we had all those world class players and still got pumped out of tournaments by Peru? Glory days". Aye, this is generally what you see. I get that Iran were diddies, but Peru? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: People hark back to these world class players but at the end of the day even with them we still achieved f**k all. "Oh mind when we had all those world class players and still got pumped out of tournaments by Peru? Glory days". They played in England! That means wurld class! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) On the forwards debate, if Shankland can get a game then so can Nisbet. It’s not like McBurnie or Burke look like being the great international goal scorers we need so we might as well give the likes of Nisbet and Shankland a shot. Edited October 4, 2020 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 '' People try to put us down " People forget that in present , and recent , times not only are there are shortage of Scots down south , there are a shortage of Scots playing up here Nisbet and Shankland ( hopefully ) could turn out super goalscorers for us but there is no comparison to 1978 Ally McLeod messed up the team , and squad , selection big time but , as has been said this was partly due to being loyal to certain players. However iirc Danny McGrain did not think much of his tactical abilities Don Masson has his book out shortly so that will be interesting ALSO wrt the last sentence Chris Iwelmo is not the only player associated with a chance not being taken ( and Steve Nicol ) -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scary Bear said: Aye, this is generally what you see. I get that Iran were diddies, but Peru? Grossly Underestimated ! ( Were they really South American champions ? ) Did Ally Macleod want to see one of Peru's games beforehand ? or not ? Edited October 4, 2020 by ewan14 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Moonster said: People hark back to these world class players but at the end of the day even with them we still achieved f**k all. "Oh mind when we had all those world class players and still got pumped out of tournaments by Peru? Glory days". We achieved " #### all " in 1978 Edited October 4, 2020 by ewan14 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, KingRocketman II said: Scotland squad has always had a fair number of players selected from the domestic league. The rest came from the English league with a smattering from abroad. Same thing happens now. No one is arguing that the quality of players in the 70s and 80s are comparable to our current options but you then go onto romanticise McAvennie "banging them in for St Mirren" yet are dismissive of Nisbet staring the season well by doing the same. You should probably switch off from current internationals and just watch lots of "glorious" retro Scotland performances and successes on YouTube on loop. By the by, this is the first time I have seen David Speedie used to support an argument to illustrate how bad our current striking options are. David Speedie. S##n#ss was wary of him ! and he helped us get a draw against the Welsh Good lad Edited October 4, 2020 by ewan14 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: It’s a sad day when we’re talking about dross like Nisbet and Shankland playing for Scotland. Watched a bit of that Scotland 78 shit tonight. It’s interesting when you look into how Ally McLeod really arsed up his squad selection. He picked Joe Harper who was well past his best and had twice failed in England and feckin Derek Johnstone. But he left out Andy Gray who was joint winner of England's golden boot with just a year earlier. His 29 goals helped Villa to a fourth-place finish and victory in the League Cup earned him the PFA player of the year and young player of the year awards, an achievement not matched until Cristiano Ronaldo in 2009. He left out Ian Wallace who’d scored 20+ goals with Coventry. He left out John McGovern who captained Notts Forest to the league title and then the European Cup the next season. He picked Alan Rough ahead of guys who were playing regularly in the top flight in England Jim Blyth and George Wood. He picked Willie Johnston ahead of John Robertson. He picked Bruce Ricoh ahead of Graeme Souness. He picked Don Masson ahead of Archie Gemmill. Alan Hansen had just won the European Cup but we had Tam Forsyth in the side. Willie Young was banned. Scotland actually had the players to win the World Cup in 78. We had world class players. Now we have Nisbet and Shankland Back to Peru 78 I think the problem was midfield , and maybe defence I do not think H#ns#n playing instead of Forsyth would have made a difference Edited October 4, 2020 by ewan14 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 14 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: It’s a sad day when we’re talking about dross like Nisbet and Shankland playing for Scotland. Watched a bit of that Scotland 78 shit tonight. It’s interesting when you look into how Ally McLeod really arsed up his squad selection. He picked Joe Harper who was well past his best and had twice failed in England and feckin Derek Johnstone. But he left out Andy Gray who was joint winner of England's golden boot with just a year earlier. His 29 goals helped Villa to a fourth-place finish and victory in the League Cup earned him the PFA player of the year and young player of the year awards, an achievement not matched until Cristiano Ronaldo in 2009. He left out Ian Wallace who’d scored 20+ goals with Coventry. He left out John McGovern who captained Notts Forest to the league title and then the European Cup the next season. He picked Alan Rough ahead of guys who were playing regularly in the top flight in England Jim Blyth and George Wood. He picked Willie Johnston ahead of John Robertson. He picked Bruce Ricoh ahead of Graeme Souness. He picked Don Masson ahead of Archie Gemmill. Alan Hansen had just won the European Cup but we had Tam Forsyth in the side. Willie Young was banned. Scotland actually had the players to win the World Cup in 78. We had world class players. Now we have Nisbet and Shankland Willie Johnstone was a brilliant player ! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 03/10/2020 at 12:13, Tartan Tammy 1297 said: Nobody can come in these in the covid bubble What? Yes, players can still be called up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenockraver Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Out of interest what channel was the 78 thing on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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