AndyM Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, kennie makevin said: As a guy who is seriously into music Cosgrove probably just sees Led Zeppelin as tedious old frauds who pass over the work of black musicians as their own....see 'Whole Lotta Love'. As someone who is always banging on about 'authentic' black inner city soul music it would be remiss of him to think otherwise. I doubt he's ventured that deep but if he does I'd be surprised if he didn't just revert to cliches. He probably has very little idea about Mississippi Delta Blues from the 1930s which both the Stones and Zeppelin plundered heavily as they were both massive fans of artists like Willie Dixon, Robert Johnson, Howlin Wolf, Memphis Minnie etc. The fact that Zeppelin also then mixed this with English folk and 1950s rock and roll would just leave him (dazed & ) confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, AndyM said: I doubt he's ventured that deep but if he does I'd be surprised if he didn't just revert to cliches. He probably has very little idea about Mississippi Delta Blues from the 1930s which both the Stones and Zeppelin plundered heavily as they were both massive fans of artists like Willie Dixon, Robert Johnson, Howlin Wolf, Memphis Minnie etc. The fact that Zeppelin also then mixed this with English folk and 1950s rock and roll would just leave him (dazed & ) confused. I bet you and Cosgrove could suck the joy from any form of music. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I bet you and Cosgrove could suck the joy from any form of music. Till the juice ran down your leg I presume ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, kennie makevin said: Till the juice ran down your leg I presume ? Oh this is good, niche reference 1 hour ago, AndyM said: Was that the Led Zeppelin track? For a guy who would say he is seriously into music Cosgrove really comes over as a tedious old bore at times. One of the biggest bands that there's ever been whose music is still as popular as ever, unlike a lot of the stuff Cosgrove champions, and all he can do is a sub par impersonation of a failing NME hack. Dear oh dear. Yes, this. I think a classic of "I'd expect better". Also mildly amused at him railing against the negativity on P&B but he bumps his gums and whines whenever something by Pink Floyd/Led Zeppelin/Queen/ AC/DC is mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 15 hours ago, scoobles said: Cowan's biggest crime was admitting he'd never seen Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid. He's mid 50's and it was on TV every year for decades since it's release. He's beyond one for the watch with his tastes. He's 10 years younger than me and he sounds like my Dad. I reckon it must be a lifetime hanging around with pensioners at football social club dinner gigs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, AndyM said: I doubt he's ventured that deep but if he does I'd be surprised if he didn't just revert to cliches. He probably has very little idea about Mississippi Delta Blues from the 1930s which both the Stones and Zeppelin plundered heavily as they were both massive fans of artists like Willie Dixon, Robert Johnson, Howlin Wolf, Memphis Minnie etc. The fact that Zeppelin also then mixed this with English folk and 1950s rock and roll would just leave him (dazed & ) confused. You should maybe read Cosgrove's trilogy of Detroit 67, Memphis 68 and Harlem 69 where he goes into great detail on the history of black Soul music and its effect on American society particularly in those years. Cosgrove has interviewed countless black soul artists and spent a lot of time with black soul artists. His knowledge of black music in America is probably second to none to anyone in the UK. He also has a huge personal collection of black soul music. I am quite sure he could provide a program on Blues singers without doing any research. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 I have wondered if that at the root of Cosgrove's dislike of Led Zeppelin is the fact they ripped off many black & blues artist, often uncredited.... However I think he's just stuck in 1970s teenage tribalism of "I don't like X music genre that isn't mine". Complete aside/non sequitur, I spent most of Saturdays show confusing Alex Neil & Alex Rae..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, NorthBank said: You should maybe read Cosgrove's trilogy of Detroit 67, Memphis 68 and Harlem 69 where he goes into great detail on the history of black Soul music and its effect on American society particularly in those years. Cosgrove has interviewed countless black soul artists and spent a lot of time with black soul artists. His knowledge of black music in America is probably second to none to anyone in the UK. He also has a huge personal collection of black soul music. I am quite sure he could provide a program on Blues singers without doing any research. Folks! I think we've uncovered Cosgrove's account on P&B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Just now, Stylish Kid said: Folks! I think we've uncovered Cosgrove's account on P&B No, he is/was @soulfulsaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, NorthBank said: You should maybe read Cosgrove's trilogy of Detroit 67, Memphis 68 and Harlem 69 where he goes into great detail on the history of black Soul music and its effect on American society particularly in those years. Cosgrove has interviewed countless black soul artists and spent a lot of time with black soul artists. His knowledge of black music in America is probably second to none to anyone in the UK. He also has a huge personal collection of black soul music. I am quite sure he could provide a program on Blues singers without doing any research. I have read 2 of the 3 books and I liked them. They were a good read about times of upheaval and severe racial issues in America. Perhaps I missed the parts talking about Delta Blues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Folks! I think we've uncovered Cosgrove's account on P&B I was at a book festival where Cosgrove spoke for an hour on the history of black music in America. The guy knows his stuff. Yea, like many people who enjoy one genre they slate everything else ( I know several heavy metal fans who point blank refuse to listen to anyone else and have absolutely no knowledge of any other music). Edited July 4, 2023 by NorthBank 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: No, he is/was @soulfulsaint Last post with that account was 2012, I bet he's got another. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Last post with that account was 2012, I bet he's got another. Nae doot. Last visit 2020 though. Edited July 4, 2023 by Ranaldo Bairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, NorthBank said: I was at a book festival where Cosgrove spoke for an hour on the history of black music in America. The guy knows his stuff. Yea, like many people who enjoy one genre they slate everything else ( I know several heavy metal fans who point blank refuse to listen to anyone else and have absolutely no knowledge of any other music). I think you're right there. I've always found that sort of musical tribalism somewhat unhealthy. I have an older cousin who was/is a punk. For him the world stopped musically in 1977. He still refuses to listen to anything else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, NorthBank said: I was at a book festival where Cosgrove spoke for an hour on the history of black music in America. The guy knows his stuff. Yea, like many people who enjoy one genre they slate everything else ( I know several heavy metal fans who point blank refuse to listen to anyone else and have absolutely no knowledge of any other music). Cosgrove wrote an amazing piece about Chicago House music in 1986 for NME. https://www.foundationsofhouse.com/blog/the-djs-they-couldnt-hang-chicago-house-1986 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 4 hours ago, NorthBank said: I was at a book festival where Cosgrove spoke for an hour on the history of black music in America. The guy knows his stuff. Yea, like many people who enjoy one genre they slate everything else ( I know several heavy metal fans who point blank refuse to listen to anyone else and have absolutely no knowledge of any other music). Oh no doubt the man knows his stuff and it is very impressive! I wouldn't want people to think I was doubting that! More that I feel that the childish whining is unbecoming in a journalist of his stature.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Nae doot. Last visit 2020 though. Probably logged on to red dot some c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 33 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Oh no doubt the man knows his stuff and it is very impressive! I wouldn't want people to think I was doubting that! More that I feel that the childish whining is unbecoming in a journalist of his stature.... Doesn't childish whining come with the territory if you're a Scottish journalist? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Tam not on air yesterday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: Tam not on air yesterday? He's the BBC presenter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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