Monkey Tennis Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 hours ago, SPLOOGESTAIN said: Alex McLeish: Management is in my DNA, says Scotland coach Jeez. At least England's wally had a brolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubai Jag Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 6 hours ago, SPLOOGESTAIN said: Alex McLeish: Management is in my DNA, says Scotland coach Only DNA that matters here should have been DO NOT ACCEPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 12 hours ago, virginton said: Scotland should have treated their previous World Cup campaign as a bedding-in period for whichever manager they want in charge for the long term; instead they gormlessly insisted that they were in the running to qualify, waited until the inevitable failure of a campaign that had absolutely no chance of success and then decided on a change of management. For permadiddy countries having the right manager and a settled squad in place for the European qualifications is quite clearly the best strategy for reaching an international tournament. I agree that Strachan should have gone earlier (at the end of the Euros campaign, when we managed to park ourselves in 4th when the top 3 would qualify for a major finals, having taken 4 points from the 3rd placed team), but to say the failure of the World Cup campaign was inevitable and that the campaign had "absolutely no chance of success" is a bit of an exaggeration given that we were a single goal away from a play off in the end, but failed to show up in the final match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 58 minutes ago, VictorOnopko said: I agree that Strachan should have gone earlier (at the end of the Euros campaign, when we managed to park ourselves in 4th when the top 3 would qualify for a major finals, having taken 4 points from the 3rd placed team), but to say the failure of the World Cup campaign was inevitable and that the campaign had "absolutely no chance of success" is a bit of an exaggeration given that we were a single goal away from a play off in the end, but failed to show up in the final match. 1) The idea that you just had to 'show up' to win in Ljubljana - Slovenia having already held England and beaten Slovakia there - is nonsense. 2) None of the teams behind England were ever going to qualify for the finals and Slovakia - a better team than Scotland - didn't even make the play-offs for finishing second. 3) Even had you made the play-offs you'd have been horsed, as Ireland were. The World Cup had 13 qualification slots for UEFA nations and Scotland are somewhere in the mid-20s of international sides on the continent ranked by performance. The idea that half of the teams above them would somehow fall by the wayside was delusional. The SFA should have accepted the current level of their team and focused on having the best setup in place to reach the Euros - a realistic goal for Scotland, Albania, Hungary and the other dross of the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ally Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Big Eck got the job because the president of the SFA had known him for 140 years not because he was the only one available. Sorry Killie fans , Steve Clark was a standout but he was never asked . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, virginton said: 1) The idea that you just had to 'show up' to win in Ljubljana - Slovenia having already held England and beaten Slovakia there - is nonsense. 2) None of the teams behind England were ever going to qualify for the finals and Slovakia - a better team than Scotland - didn't even make the play-offs for finishing second. 3) Even had you made the play-offs you'd have been horsed, as Ireland were. The World Cup had 13 qualification slots for UEFA nations and Scotland are somewhere in the mid-20s of international sides on the continent ranked by performance. The idea that half of the teams above them would somehow fall by the wayside was delusional. The SFA should have accepted the current level of their team and focused on having the best setup in place to reach the Euros - a realistic goal for Scotland, Albania, Hungary and the other dross of the continent. By 'failed to show up', I meant that the performance was completely flat - I did not say that we only had to show up to win. Nevertheless, we have beaten Slovenia away before, and we beat them at home this campaign. A win in the last game, however unlikely, would have got us a PO spot. It is therefore wrong to claim that we had "absolutely no chance" of success, given we were one goal away (albeit we were well off the pace and lucky to get a late draw in that match). Low-ranked teams have made finals before. Thank you for your list of definitive statements, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 We can hardly blame Eck, you can only piss with the cock you’ve got. We are a terrible team and sometimes wonder if it’s worth while having an international team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffster Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Only DNA that matters here should have been DO NOT ACCEPTThe last time a sitting Scotland manager brought up genetics it went well. Hoping for a similar speedy denouement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said: We can hardly blame Eck, you can only piss with the cock you’ve got. We are a terrible team and sometimes wonder if it’s worth while having an international team While that statement may be true to an extent , Michael O'neill proved that with preparation and good organisation of average players you can get the best out of them. Eck neither prepared or organised our players to play to their potential on Thursday and should be brought to task for that. This is definitely a managerial issue and can be easily rectified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Besides the fact that there's clearly something wrong there, what McLeish's post match comments showed was the same self defeating negative mindset as before. Scotland really need a manager who actually believes in their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Lambs to the slaughter? Ryan Christie added too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, jagfox99 said: Lambs to the slaughter? Ryan Christie added too. I see what you did there . Mackay Steven will most likely be as frustrated as Griffiths come Monday morning that Naismith continues to underperform but stays on the pitch for 90 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pampered Adolescent Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 If I was swithering about going to the Portugal game, or anything similar down the road, the phrase 'management is in my DNA' would keep me away until he was replaced. McLeish took a great Motherwell team, 3rd in the league, to 2nd, 8th, 8th, 9th; left mid-season. In management, what has this clown ever done outwith some tainted success with the Blue Bigots? At least WGS combined his arrogance and self-importance with the occasional witty one-liners. I am sure (hoping) he gets retired on medical grounds. Cheers PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 We can hardly blame Eck, you can only piss with the cock you’ve got. We are a terrible team and sometimes wonder if it’s worth while having an international team You can only piss with the cock that you’ve got but you can at least try and aim for the toilet bowl. Eck is the equivalent of pissing on your own shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunz Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 My main disappointment with McLeish is more with the SFA and their ludicrous decision to appoint him. Even Rangers didn’t want him when he was practically begging for the job. Pals or not, I can’t believe they sat in a meeting and decided this would be a good appointment. Since leaving Scotland the first time he got Birmingham relegated, promoted, then had a very good season where they were difficult to beat and finished high up in the Premier League. Next season he won the League Cup, a fantastic achievement but it’s been downhill since. Relegated again with Birmingham, a shambolic spell at Villa, left Forest after less than a month, sacked from Genk for failing to get them into the CL qualifiers and most recently sacked by some Egyptian mob. After that he then gets the Scotland job. An absolute joke. He’s now been in a charge for 7 games which has seen us lose 5 and win 2. Up until Strachans contract wasn’t renewed we were unbeaten in 2017. His tactics, call ups, team selections have baffled me. He’s trying to stick to a formation that isn’t working, playing players out of position and not getting results. I can’t see it but I hope we punt him sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, baillieinleeds said: We can hardly blame Eck, you can only piss with the cock you’ve got. We are a terrible team and sometimes wonder if it’s worth while having an international team We've got more of a cock than Israel has. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Maybe if Portugal knock in eight he might go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Our terrible team should be playing Israel with no fear. They're fairly shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 11 hours ago, VictorOnopko said: By 'failed to show up', I meant that the performance was completely flat - I did not say that we only had to show up to win. Nevertheless, we have beaten Slovenia away before, and we beat them at home this campaign. A win in the last game, however unlikely, would have got us a PO spot. It is therefore wrong to claim that we had "absolutely no chance" of success, given we were one goal away (albeit we were well off the pace and lucky to get a late draw in that match). Low-ranked teams have made finals before. Thank you for your list of definitive statements, though. You also beat Slovakia at home; care to remind me how that away tie worked out for you? Between that and the fact that Slovenia were unbeaten at home overall and having played superior opposition, a draw was in fact the credible benchmark for Scotland in their final match - which meant that it was already game over in terms of getting out the group. And slithering into a play-off spot still wouldn't have given you a credible chance of reaching the World Cup, as the utter humiliation of Ireland (a better national team than Scotland) at the same stage demonstrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonSons Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, virginton said: You also beat Slovakia at home; care to remind me how that away tie worked out for you? Between that and the fact that Slovenia were unbeaten at home overall and having played superior opposition, a draw was in fact the credible benchmark for Scotland in their final match - which meant that it was already game over in terms of getting out the group. And slithering into a play-off spot still wouldn't have given you a credible chance of reaching the World Cup, as the utter humiliation of Ireland (a better national team than Scotland) at the same stage demonstrated. Very average trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.