milton75 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 13/10/2021 at 20:38, Highland Capital said: People who treat supporting political parties like supporting their football team. It's become particularly prevalent over the last decade and it does my head in. The fact that support for parties should always remain massively conditional seems completely lost to some people. On 14/10/2021 at 20:52, 101 said: It's another move in our society towards Americanism. As annoying as it is when people do this, I'd say that if anything people have moved very slightly away from this model in the UK, not towards it. While across the UK as a whole Labour and Conservative still hold most of the votes, and while Westminster is still mainly a 2-paerty affair, I would suggest that it is less so than 50 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, coprolite said: I thought it was an ounce of hash? Learn something new every day. Whats heavier though? An ounce of hash or an ounce of cocaine? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Whats heavier though? An ounce of hash or an ounce of cocaine? Both pretty heavy, man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, milton75 said: As annoying as it is when people do this, I'd say that if anything people have moved very slightly away from this model in the UK, not towards it. While across the UK as a whole Labour and Conservative still hold most of the votes, and while Westminster is still mainly a 2-paerty affair, I would suggest that it is less so than 50 years ago. If you take the SNP out of the mix, England's as divided between the two big parties as ever. Barring the odd protest vote that the Liberals get every twenty years or so when the Tories are doing something unpopular to the middle-classes, there's barely any reason for the other parties to exist. Westminster desperately needs some form of proportional representation, but it's hard to see a way that it would ever happen, considering there's absolutely nothing to gain for either Labour or the Conservatives. It would be like Celtgers voting to abolish their veto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, BFTD said: If you take the SNP out of the mix, England's as divided between the two big parties as ever. Barring the odd protest vote that the Liberals get every twenty years or so when the Tories are doing something unpopular to the middle-classes, there's barely any reason for the other parties to exist. Westminster desperately needs some form of proportional representation, but it's hard to see a way that it would ever happen, considering there's absolutely nothing to gain for either Labour or the Conservatives. It would be like Celtgers voting to abolish their veto. Aren’t the Tories also currently in the middle of attempting to redraw the boundaries to give them an even bigger majority? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Aren’t the Tories also currently in the middle of attempting to redraw the boundaries to give them an even bigger majority? boundaries have to be redone every 5 years by law to reflect population changes/migrations and in theory is independent of government. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton75 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, BFTD said: If you take the SNP out of the mix, England's as divided between the two big parties as ever. Barring the odd protest vote that the Liberals get every twenty years or so when the Tories are doing something unpopular to the middle-classes, there's barely any reason for the other parties to exist. Westminster desperately needs some form of proportional representation, but it's hard to see a way that it would ever happen, considering there's absolutely nothing to gain for either Labour or the Conservatives. It would be like Celtgers voting to abolish their veto. That's all more or less true, but given the increased influence of lunatic fringe parties such as UKIP/Brexit, the Lib Dems getting some degree of power during to coalition years, increasing influence of The Green Party, the forementioned rise of the SNP in Scotland, and in fact all of the factors involved in Devolution in general, I'd say that we're still further away from the usual 2-party situation than at any point since WWII. For all that the Lib Dems made an arse of it, they still actually got a portion of influence, far more than achieved since the old SDLP days. I just don't see that we've moved towards an Americanised system at all. You could definitely make the case that the way the media treats politics and the personality-driven context in which political discourse is now occurring has followed in the footsteps of the colonies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: Aren’t the Tories also currently in the middle of attempting to redraw the boundaries to give them an even bigger majority? We don't have gerrymandering in the UK thankfully it's independent of politics here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: Aren’t the Tories also currently in the middle of attempting to redraw the boundaries to give them an even bigger majority? Not to mention the Elections Bill, which is to introduce American-style voter suppression that will affect Conservatives most and reduce their share of the vote. Oh, sorry, I meant the total opposite of that. 33 minutes ago, milton75 said: That's all more or less true, but given the increased influence of lunatic fringe parties such as UKIP/Brexit, the Lib Dems getting some degree of power during to coalition years, increasing influence of The Green Party, the forementioned rise of the SNP in Scotland, and in fact all of the factors involved in Devolution in general, I'd say that we're still further away from the usual 2-party situation than at any point since WWII. For all that the Lib Dems made an arse of it, they still actually got a portion of influence, far more than achieved since the old SDLP days. I just don't see that we've moved towards an Americanised system at all. You could definitely make the case that the way the media treats politics and the personality-driven context in which political discourse is now occurring has followed in the footsteps of the colonies. I don't think we've moved towards it particularly, but if it has changed it's not by much, and certainly the Liberal Democrat influence consisted of doing as they were told in exchange for a chance of personal gain. The main change is that the electorate has shifted right, and the Tories had their little internecine battle over that, which created (then killed off) the various Farage parties. Even that didn't threaten to change a lot; I seem to remember UKIP being polled at 20%+ at one point, and still being forecast to end up with MPs in single figures. The influence of the other parties is still miniscule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Setting fireworks off after the 5th of November. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 We don't have monarchymandering in the UK thankfully it's independent of politics here.FTFY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 been invited to a halloween party on 13th November, the only thing that can be more pathetic than a bunch of 30/40 years olds dressing up is doing it 2 weeks late as if an entire halloween weekend wasn't enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 8 hours ago, red23 said: been invited to a halloween party on 13th November, the only thing that can be more pathetic than a bunch of 30/40 years olds dressing up is doing it 2 weeks late as if an entire halloween weekend wasn't enough. Go as a massive f**k off poppy and get 2 for the price of one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 been invited to a halloween party on 13th November, the only thing that can be more pathetic than a bunch of 30/40 years olds dressing up is doing it 2 weeks late as if an entire halloween weekend wasn't enough.You never know, you might meet a lovely passive-aggressive cartel moll grifter from Colombia who's looking for a mark.Clue - she'll be dressed as a witch. [emoji3314] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Florentine_Pogen said: You never know, you might meet a lovely outright-aggressive cartel moll grifter from Colombia who's looking for a mark. Clue - she'll be dressed as a witch and scowling at anyone vaguely Chinese. Ftfy. I hope the lad meets someone nice, or if he doesn't that he lights up the ITYPD thread as before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 14 hours ago, red23 said: been invited to a halloween party on 13th November Better late than never. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 15 hours ago, red23 said: been invited to a halloween party on 13th November, the only thing that can be more pathetic than a bunch of 30/40 years olds dressing up is doing it 2 weeks late as if an entire halloween weekend wasn't enough. "is my Harley Quinn outfit from the other week still waiting to be washed? " 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, Caley Shaun said: This abuse is getting beyond a joke now, its rime time the mods sort it out or I will report the forum and get it banned altogether!! Forums are for OPINIONS not bullying, does nobody know what is happening with the ex cricketer as I type this, he got bullied and felt alone and tbh, I know the fucking feeling!! You've been warned so over to you now admin/mods! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 There's not enough air in the room for me to inhale through my teeth for the required amount of time that post deserves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 I checked the thread to see what the abuse was like - he got called a roaster once and got a few red dots on a post. That’s genuinely it. I do always love someone threatening to take pie and bovril down though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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