peasy23 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Regardless of which people are operating it, the technology is not good enough to make a decision that precise.Absolutely. There is no way they can make calls that close while still waving the term "clear and obvious" around. There is no way an assistant could be expected to spot that toe being offside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertlegend Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but why havent we seen a the replay/VAR decision for the second goal? I think the problem with hand ball is no one really knows what's happening with the rule! Didnt the Premier League reject UEFA or fifa's version of the handball rule? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 If it negates giving Man City a hypothetical goal, surely it should negate giving them a penalty as well?It does, as far as I’m aware, it can’t lead directly to a penalty either. Someone who’s less lazy than me can look up the exact wording of the law. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Where the ball is going after the handball is not relevant to whether it is a foul. The only question is whether it is deliberate.I see what you mean. That makes sense. I didn't think it had to be deliberate now though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Regardless of VAR, Liverpool are murdering City here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but why havent we seen a the replay/VAR decision for the second goal? I think the problem with hand ball is no one really knows what's happening with the rule! Didnt the Premier League reject UEFA or fifa's version of the handball rule? Because they've fucked it up. The same reason goal line technology isn't 100% accurate even though they would have you believe it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Albertlegend said: Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but why havent we seen a the replay/VAR decision for the second goal? I think the problem with hand ball is no one really knows what's happening with the rule! Didnt the Premier League reject UEFA or fifa's version of the handball rule? It is strange we haven't seen the lines because surely they would need to do that before confirming the goal. Unless they decided just to ignore controversial VAR checks in a big game. Like how a standard yellow card challenge isn't a yellow in an Old Firm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, RandomGuy. said: Regardless of VAR, Liverpool are murdering City here. City have been very, very poor at the back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 So not offside. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 After all that, they finally show the line and it makes him onside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: So not offside. That wasn't the official VAR line. That was just Sky's own line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: If it negates giving Man City a hypothetical goal, surely it should negate giving them a penalty as well? The LOTG have simply been changed so that attackers cannot score a goal with their arm, even if it's accidental, or gain possession/control and then score or create a goal scoring opportunity. Makes it simpler for everyone, especially refs, and it's what football wants/expects. No point making it more complicated by adding in penalties, corners, free kicks to the list of things that cannot be awarded after it accidentally touches an attackers arm. As for offside on the 2nd goal - we've seen from the offside decisions this season it's difficult to judge 2D images, need the 3D system to get the lines added to the knees/armpits... Edited November 10, 2019 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Jim McLean's Ghost said: That wasn't the official VAR line. That was just Sky's own line. Which shows that he’s clearly onside when the ball is played. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Granny Danger said: Which shows that he’s clearly onside when the ball is played. Still not the official VAR lines which should be available. Whether it is onside or offside we should have been able to see the official VAR lines before the goal was confirmed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Which shows that he’s clearly onside when the ball is played. Tbf you cant say that until you see the VAR line. Sheffield United had a player offside yesterday a literal millimetre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Which shows that he’s clearly onside when the ball is played. Don't let facts get in the way of some good, old fashioned irrational liverpool hating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 The LOTG have simply been changed so that attackers cannot score a goal with their arm, even if it's accidental, or gain possession/control and then score or create a goal scoring opportunity. Makes it simpler for everyone, especially refs, and it's what football wants/expects. No point making it more complicated by adding in penalties, corners, free kicks to the list of things that cannot be awarded after it accidentally touches an attackers arm.Doesn’t really complicate things much, does it, though?If a player dives, his team can’t score a goal in the same passage of play. He can’t be given a penalty either, or get a corner. Same here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Ah, Alexander Arnold's arm isn't in a unnatural position. Got ya. Only, I thought unnatural position didn't matter anymore? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Still not the official VAR lines which should be available. Whether it is onside or offside we should have been able to see the official VAR lines before the goal was confirmed.It may well be a technical issue with Sky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerla Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, CountyFan said: Don't let facts get in the way of some good, old fashioned irrational liverpool hating. Mods please 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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