Rangers' Wee Spot in Europe - Season 2023/24

[G51]

2 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

The Rangers to be docked all their prize money due to the conduct of Slippy G and Kamara, hopefully. 

state of this

[AJF]

5 minutes ago, G51 said:

state of this

I fully expect he is fishing but to use a players reaction after suffering alleged racist abuse as bait is pretty eye opening 

Edited March 19, 2021 by AJF

[bennett]

1 hour ago, ahemps said:

Why are OF fans so predisposed to defend absolutely anything within their club. The reaction to Roofe's sending off is to go on the defensive and claim there was no intent. I have yet to see anyone say there was intent to hurt the keeper so who they are defending this against I don't know.

On the other hand if I was a Rangers fan I would be slating Roofe not defending him, they were well in the game when he got sent off, they were only a goal away from staying in the tie and a possible quarter final where Zagreb, Granada and Villareal all wait (very tough but not impossible fixtures). His challenge was awful and worthy of a red card (although no Rangers fan is saying otherwise) so he had left his team with an absolute mountain to climb to rescue the tie. I would be annoyed and disappointed at a player on my team for getting sent off and sealing our fate in a game when there was still a decent chance we could have got a goal and stayed in it.

 

Not sure what your point is here as you later state " His challenge was awful and worthy of a red card (although no Rangers fan is saying otherwise)". 

 

It was a stonewall red card,  no ifs and no buts.

 

 

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

12 hours ago, G51 said:

You can see the moment in this video when Goldson goes to Kamara, asks him what was said and then just fucking goes for the c**t.

Love that guy.

An interesting strategy to dish out a racial insult to an opponent when you have a black teammate stood right next to you, but then I suppose you can't expect apparent racists to be very clever. The reactions on both sides are instantaneous and extremely noticeable, so hopefully something gets done.

[ahemps]

44 minutes ago, bennett said:

 

Not sure what your point is here as you later state " His challenge was awful and worthy of a red card (although no Rangers fan is saying otherwise)". 

 

It was a stonewall red card,  no ifs and no buts.

 

 

 

My point was not one Rangers fan has questioned what he was doing going in for this challenge. He goes in with his boot above head height in the vicinity of another player, even if he wins the ball and doesn't connect with an opponent a foul will be given, he stood to gain absolutely nothing from it. This was a massive risk challenge with zero reward.

Rangers were well in the game at this point and his sending off practically kills the game. It was the best chance in god knows how long against an opponent who was beatable to go to the quarters of a European competition and Roofe is getting  a free pass because 'he didn't mean to hurt him'.

I don't want the guy hung, drawn and quartered but in this instance I would be questioning him and placing a fairly large portion of the blame at the game going away from Rangers on him for this challenge.

 

[G51]

https://en.slavia.cz/clanek.asp?id=811

Don't back down, double down.

[AJF]

59 minutes ago, G51 said:

https://en.slavia.cz/clanek.asp?id=811

Don't back down, double down.

The excuse of "players cover their mouths all the time" is absolutely mental. The majority of the time it is done between players having a conversation or laugh with each other during a break in play. That is clearly the opposite of what their player said to Kamara given his reaction so that excuse carries no weight whatsoever and I'm surprised the club have actually went down that line of defence.

The fact they are also claiming that Kamara assaulted him after the match actually adds weight to the claim that he said something racist and leaves little doubt in my mind that Kamara is being truthful given his extreme reaction they are claiming.

I don't think they have went down the "lost in translation" excuse yet which is very telling because it means they must believe Kamara clearly heard what he said and are now implying that he is lying. They have completely fucked it here.

[diegomarahenry]

From what I have read, the UEFA delegate took Kamara and Kudela along with a representative from the clubs aside to discuss it, Kamara punched him and made off to the dressing room followed by Gerrard.

[Ranaldo Bairn]

1 minute ago, diegomarahenry said:

From what I have read, the UEFA delegate took Kamara and Kudela along with a representative from the clubs aside to discuss it, Kamara punched him and made off to the dressing room followed by Gerrard.

If that's true, 100% UEFA will hammer Kamara more than Kudela on this. They'll claim lack of evidence for the racism allegation.

[G51]

1 minute ago, diegomarahenry said:

From what I have read, the UEFA delegate took Kamara and Kudela along with a representative from the clubs aside to discuss it, Kamara punched him and made off to the dressing room followed by Gerrard.

I don't really believe this, mostly because I don't believe UEFA would call a racist and the victim of his abuse into the same meeting half an hour after it happened. Doesn't make a lot of sense, much like a lot of the things Slavia Prague have come out with.

Particularly enjoying the enormous porkie about them having to be escorted from Ibrox with police protection because fans ransacked the stadium, before they got under the protection of the fucking Czechia ambassador in London.

Here's the video of them leaving the stadium, you can tell it's an extremely tense atmosphere eh?

 

 

[diegomarahenry]

There are a few articles in the Czech press about it. The main UEFA delegate at the game is Czech and as left it to the other members there to do the report.
 

There is an interview with the manager doing the rounds but I don’t see it in the Czech media so I don’t know if it is true or not. But if it is true, Rangers will probably get hammered for the stuff that went on after the game. 

[Drew Brees]

7 hours ago, AJF said:

Are you seriously comparing this to a gesture Morelos made over a year ago?

Are you seriously taking a tongue in cheek remark seriously? 

[Ranaldo Bairn]

6 minutes ago, G51 said:

I don't really believe this, mostly because I don't believe UEFA would call a racist and the victim of his abuse into the same meeting half an hour after it happened. Doesn't make a lot of sense, much like a lot of the things Slavia Prague have come out with.

Particularly enjoying the enormous porkie about them having to be escorted from Ibrox with police protection because fans ransacked the stadium, before they got under the protection of the fucking Czechia ambassador in London.

Here's the video of them leaving the stadium, you can tell it's an extremely tense atmosphere eh?

 

 

All they had to do was say they support their player but take allegations of this nature seriously and would investigate fully.

Instead they've lashed out in all directions and made themselves look absolutely horrendous, even if Kamara/A.N.Other has lamped someone in the tunnel.

[diegomarahenry]

2 minutes ago, G51 said:

I don't really believe this, mostly because I don't believe UEFA would call a racist and the victim of his abuse into the same meeting half an hour after it happened. Doesn't make a lot of sense, much like a lot of the things Slavia Prague have come out with.

Particularly enjoying the enormous porkie about them having to be escorted from Ibrox with police protection because fans ransacked the stadium, before they got under the protection of the fucking Czechia ambassador in London.

Here's the video of them leaving the stadium, you can tell it's an extremely tense atmosphere eh?

 

 

There is due process and you can’t charge someone without an investigation. If Rangers want it investigated then the player has to be involved. 

You can’t turn up to a court case and your witness statement is to punch the accused and run away and then have your boss on telly telling everyone your statement,and this can’t happen here. 

You could question why it was done together and that is up to UEFA to explain.

[G51]

1 minute ago, diegomarahenry said:

There is due process and you can’t charge someone without an investigation. If Rangers want it investigated then the player has to be involved. 

You can’t turn up to a court case and your witness statement is to punch the accused and run away and then have your boss on telly telling everyone your statement,and this can’t happen here. 

You could question why it was done together and that is up to UEFA to explain.

I have no problem with UEFA speaking to Kamara to investigate it. If they made the decision to bring them both into the same meeting, I would seriously question that as it is clearly a very bad way of investigating things.

Here's Jordan Campbell's details on what happened, sounds like the racist c**t Kudela did get a sore face, which is extremely pleasing:

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Most of the Slavia players stayed out on the pitch to celebrate and were huddled around a phone at one stage. Meanwhile, the Rangers players locked the double doors leading into the tunnel from the inside, which meant the Slavia players had to try to find an open door in the West Enclosure to get back in. It is understood that cameras in the tunnel  were told to be turned off and due to COVID-19 protocols no broadcasters are allowed in that area at the moment.

There are said to have been mixed emotions in the dressing room as some had not featured or had not witnessed the events up close, while others were icing bumps and bruises. But there was also a group who were upset at not being able to deal with what had happened.

Gerrard, sporting director Ross Wilson and chairman Douglas Park were all seen pitchside but it was the former who was making his points clear to the Slavia officials.

It is believed that there was an initial discussion in the tunnel area but that it escalated and resulted in a “physical altercation” with officials from both teams present. UEFA said they were “aware” of an incident in the tunnel but would await receiving the match reports before commenting further on this incident or the alleged racism.

 

[AJF]

3 minutes ago, Drew Brees said:

Are you seriously taking a tongue in cheek remark seriously? 

I appreciate that it was tongue in cheek, I'm just not it's the time or place for it.

[Drew Brees]

1 minute ago, AJF said:

I appreciate that it was tongue in cheek, I'm just not it's the time or place for it.

Aye it is. 

[Jacky1990]

5 hours ago, velo army said:

Predictable that this thread should degenerate into whitabootery and point scoring.

Watching that clip back made me pretty sick. You can see kamara's  reaction is one of shock and devastation. As has been pointed out too, the other Slavia players seem a bit shocked too. Although it might seem like there's nothing to be done I think it might be important to remember that UEFA aren't the criminal justice system, so may not need corroborating evidence and "beyond reasonable doubt". They won't want their tournament marred by racism, so I can see them looking at the available evidence and handing out a ban. 

I'm also well in favour of him receiving a decent punch to the coupon. A ban and an apology will have to suffice.

This 1,000,000%.

Using racism as a way to point score or give the "aye, but mind that time your fans did x" shite is disgraceful in my opinion. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Rangers and plenty of opportunities to give them stick throughout the year. But today the only reaction should be to condemn the racist c**t or to take a day off and say nothing about it.

If Kamara did lamp him after the match, good on him. Hope it hurt. 

[AJF]

1 minute ago, Drew Brees said:

Aye it is. 

Mate, you likened alleged racist abuse to a largely inoffensive gesture Morelos made 13 months ago.

[diegomarahenry]

2 minutes ago, G51 said:

I have no problem with UEFA speaking to Kamara to investigate it. If they made the decision to bring them both into the same meeting, I would seriously question that as it is clearly a very bad way of investigating things.

Here's Jordan Campbell's details on what happened, sounds like the racist c**t Kudela did get a sore face, which is extremely pleasing:

 

If it happened in front of a UEFA delegate, it will be in the report. Rangers said they will wait on the report before they comment.

From Czech media it will be 3 weeks before it is submitted