Theyellowbox Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, scottsdad said: On Keegan, having read her explanation I understand completely what she did. She is sitting with 3 dads talking about their daughters' suicides and gets a notification that she has tested positive. Not many people would simply stand up and march out of the room. You'd have to be inhuman to do that. I completely agree, which I why I said about how easy an apology can be. While she broke the rules, she didn't try and lie about it and gave a very reasonable explanation. Why I say Starmer may raise it is to point out that others are mindful of the rules and they can see fit to explain when and why they broke them. Fair play to her too, she said right away to the dads and they were OK with it. It's how normal human beings operate when things like this happen. I maintain that if the govt had just been up front with the parties, it would have been a story, but would have dissipated fairly quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Aye but there is hand sanitiser so everything is fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, strichener said: Aye but there is hand sanitiser so everything is fine. Boris was drinking it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 18 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: I'm sure the white bit on his nose is just a trick of the light. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, strichener said: Aye but there is hand sanitiser so everything is fine. Did they run out of champagne? Damn you @Suspect Device Edited February 9, 2022 by Jacksgranda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Cummings saying there are much better pictures than that, including inside the PMs flat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Low key PMQs with MPs on holiday after tomorrow for 10 days, with BJ now in complete thrall to the "raving right" of the Tory party I can't see any serious threat to his position until at least the local elections in May and they'd have to be pretty bad to force the issue. Once the Met report there are no criminal charges to face after partygate BJ will say he's been vindicated and that he's already made the changes required to meet whatever Gray's report recommends, the party at large will repeat this line along with the "got the big calls right" mantra - for the moment it's Long Live King Boris! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, btb said: Low key PMQs with MPs on holiday after tomorrow for 10 days, with BJ now in complete thrall to the "raving right" of the Tory party I can't see any serious threat to his position until at least the local elections in May and they'd have to be pretty bad to force the issue. Once the Met report there are no criminal charges to face after partygate BJ will say he's been vindicated and that he's already made the changes required to meet whatever Gray's report recommends, the party at large will repeat this line along with the "got the big calls right" mantra - for the moment it's Long Live King Boris! If that's right, and i think it is, the opposition needs to start making this an issue about the behaviour that the Tory Party is willing to accept and not just a Boris thing. Because it is, they're all entitled hypocritical shit heads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: If that's right, and i think it is, the opposition needs to start making this an issue about the behaviour that the Tory Party is willing to accept and not just a Boris thing. Because it is, they're all entitled hypocritical shit heads. Well yeah half the Cabinet have publically endorsed BJs Savile smear that "the buck stops with Starmer" (with varying degrees of enthusiasm) and less than 15% have sent in letters to the 1922 Committee asking for him to be removed so it is as you say "behaviour that the Tory Party is willing to accept and not just a Boris thing". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, coprolite said: If that's right, and i think it is, the opposition needs to start making this an issue about the behaviour that the Tory Party is willing to accept and not just a Boris thing. Because it is, they're all entitled hypocritical shit heads. Experience from the USA is that this will not happen. If anything the 'public' will just become even more accepting of the behaviour due to the continued pushing of the official govt message being amplified by a supportive media who manipulate the masses to the advantage of the Tories. Edited February 9, 2022 by Soapy FFC Spelling (as normal) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 45 minutes ago, btb said: Low key PMQs with MPs on holiday after tomorrow for 10 days, with BJ now in complete thrall to the "raving right" of the Tory party I can't see any serious threat to his position until at least the local elections in May and they'd have to be pretty bad to force the issue. Once the Met report there are no criminal charges to face after partygate BJ will say he's been vindicated and that he's already made the changes required to meet whatever Gray's report recommends, the party at large will repeat this line along with the "got the big calls right" mantra - for the moment it's Long Live King Boris! My thoughts too. Only thing that I think could derail him now is if there is changes brought by the met OR there is some much worse and really damaging photos to come, which Cummings is eluding too. Even them, unless it is him doing lines of Coke off a portrait of Maggie Thatcher. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 08/02/2022 at 14:51, scottsdad said: I honestly thought that the incident yesterday with Starmer would be the big news today; people drawing a straight line between Johnson's comments and the incident. But no - it's nowhere near being a big news story now. All focus is on the "mini reshuffle". I honestly thought, just a few months after another MP was murdered, and memories of how Trump's rhetoric in the US caused a mob to ignite, that this would be the end times for Johnson. But all very quiet on this front today. If you actually look into the incident Starmer made a beeline - with a police escort - for a group of protestors who had been present in that location for a while. It was an absolute set up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Detournement said: If you actually look into the incident Starmer made a beeline - with a police escort - for a group of protestors who had been present in that location for a while. It was an absolute set up. You must be running out of foil for all those hats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: You must be running out of foil for all those hats. Why would he leave Parliament with a police escort and walk towards a group of protestors? Due to this incident Saville won't be mentioned in Parliament again which is very convienent for Kieth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Detournement said: Why would he leave Parliament with a police escort and walk towards a group of protestors? Due to this incident Saville won't be mentioned in Parliament again which is very convienent for Kieth. You ever thought that he took police advice and was warned that there might be trouble? The issue of Saville is high in the air again because of a scumbag PM. And those anti vaccine etc are well known to believe all the conspiracy theories that come out of the lives of Johnson's mouth. Give your head a good wobble and maybe that tin foil hat will fall off! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) Starmer's record as DPP is public knowledge and a small proportion of the public were aware that during his time in charge of the CPS they declined to charge Saville despite numerous allegations. All it took was Johnson mentioning in Parliament for the information to go 'viral' and now it's widespread knowledge. The same thing could easily happen with the relationship between the Manchester bomber and the security services or the lack of an investigation into who supplied the weapon that killed Jo Cox. That's why there is so much interest in burying this as it sets a bad precedent where powerful people within the UK state might actually be held accountable for their actions. Edited February 9, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: You ever thought that he took police advice and was warned that there might be trouble? The issue of Saville is high in the air again because of a scumbag PM. And those anti vaccine etc are well known to believe all the conspiracy theories that come out of the lives of Johnson's mouth. Give your head a good wobble and maybe that tin foil hat will fall off! There are secure routes out of Parliament, the police would not advise him to walk towards protestors. He also has an official car and driver as part of the LOTO which can pick him up from a secure area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Some guidance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Some guidance What conspiracy theory? You either believe he organised a police escort to take a stroll past an angry mob to provoke an incident or you believe that he organised a police escort to get from A to B despite the high likelihood of an incident with the protestors and the availability of far safer methods of making the journey. What actually happened isn't up for debate. The intention of the trip is. Edited February 9, 2022 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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