Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Cerberus said: If you needed more proof that the Tories are far right. I don't think that is even up for dispute now. A deal will be done with Farage today. A failed nobody from a extreme minority far-right party is now heavily involved in the direction and decision making of UK politics. In years to come people will look back on this period in history and shake their heads in amazement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I don't think that is even up for dispute now. A deal will be done with Farage today. A failed nobody from a extreme minority far-right party is now heavily involved in the direction and decision making of UK politics. In years to come people will look back on this period in history and shake their heads in amazement. Yes. The ruling party has to organise a pre-election coalition deal with a party that has no MPs. Seems a strange definition of democracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: I don't think that is even up for dispute now. A deal will be done with Farage today. A failed nobody from a extreme minority far-right party is now heavily involved in the direction and decision making of UK politics. In years to come people will look back on this period in history and shake their heads in amazement. Remember a few years back when Mandleson was in the cabinet as a Lord? He had a portfolio that was relatively big for someone unelected, business secretary and a few titles that basically gave him a huge amount of money to spend in swing seats. Farage getting a peerage and a fairly major cabinet position would not be unprecedented. He's very popular with the Tory membership who even now, seem further right than the party (especially on Brexit). I really don't think it's a stretch to suggest that his ambitions are perhaps much loftier than made out to be and if he ends up in government, he would have a platform and a route to real power if he's got a few friends He's not a stupid guy and I think it's dangerous to call him a nobody - he's the most popular political figure in UK politics by a fair distance and he's manipulated the Tories for years, Cameron had an electable government going that looked like they'd never leave power and he absolutely fucked that and ended a lot of political careers. He's pretty much open about loving chaos and upheaval and I really don't think he's going to disappear. I know that usually incompetence is the more logical theory but I genuinely think that him and Boris have a solid understanding and are just playing out this whole thing for theater - both know that his proximity to the Tories needs to be guarded a bit to protect the soft Tory demographic but otherwise, I'm sure both are aware that former Labour leavers who are very susceptible to populism maybe need an extra nudge. Right now, his impact is more about making certain groups of people stay at home rather than necessarily vote IMO - if you read into the polls right now, taking people at face value on the question of if they are going to vote would see a comfortable Labour majority government but that is weighted down as these voters are historically less likely to turn up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 9 hours ago, welshbairn said: Peterhead fishermen must be the most vox popped people in the nation. P.S. Lib Dems saying that the whole of Scotland is neck and neck between them and the Tories. Only the Lib Dems can pip Celtic and Rangers to win the SPFL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Bedford White said: They have long memories in South Yorkshire. When I was in Sheffield earlier in year they still had coal not dole stickers in pubs. At 2017 GE there was a huge billboard in the city promoting the communist party as it was standing a candidate and they were selling this ale. Not called the People's/Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire for nothing. I think I used to work in this pub. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, welshbairn said: Heard somewhere that nearly all the fish that UK fishermen catch for the UK market, like cod and haddock, are caught outside UK waters, and the vast majority of the catch inside UK waters is sold to EU countries. So tariffs could be a bit of a bummer, even if fewer EU boats are allowed in. The thing that really annoys me about the media coverage of fishing in Scotland is that the majority of the fishing fleet is made up of inshore fishermen who by and large are opposed to Brexit, yet I hardly ever see them mentioned. Instead, all we’ve had for years is diatribes from Bertie Armstrong and his like. Nice wee article here on it: https://www.ft.com/content/4ffe9624-2951-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7 Edited November 14, 2019 by Londonwell 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Sorry guys, we've looked into it, and leaving the EU would be really silly. Let's just all go home. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The worst since records beganSo who do you want to run the nhs again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, doulikefish said: The worst since records began So who do you want to run the nhs again? Anyone in England and Wales who is concerned about the NHS and still votes Conservative deserve everything they get. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibsFan Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Anyone in England and Wales who is concerned about the NHS and still votes Conservative deserve everything they get. They do, but the problem is that they're also inflicting pain and misery on people who don't deserve it all. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, HibsFan said: They do, but the problem is that they're also inflicting pain and misery on people who don't deserve it all. Absolutely. In a similar vein, if not a single person in Scotland voted Conservative it wouldn’t necessarily stop such a government being imposed upon us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Absolutely. In a similar vein, if not a single person in Scotland voted Conservative it wouldn’t necessarily stop such a government being imposed upon us. It wouldn't stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Snafu said: Not all NE fisherman, not the local based ones who have been getting squeezed out for decades and refuse to sell out or give up. Much of the local fishing industry in that part of Scotland has been decimated due to the greed of these families and their companies (below) that run the industry around the North and East coast. I have my doubts that anything will change what ever Brexit deal goes through this like you say is all self serving and when these companies are struggling to make the massive profits they will do the best to protect their own interests rather than give a crap about the eco system or the fishermen they employ. They will keep decimating and stripping the numbers of fish around our waters until the whole thing collapses. It will be interesting to see how the new quotas are set out post Brussels and of them will stick to it and if there is a rise in illegal fishing. Rich List Families Alexander Buchan and family are ranked 804 in the 2018 Rich List, with an estimated net worth of £147m. The family’s Peterhead-based Lunar Fishing Company owns or controls 8.9% of the UK’s quota holdings (739,153 FQAs), making it the biggest quota holder in the UK. Jan Colam and family are ranked 882 on the Rich List (estimated worth: £130m). The Colam family-owned company Interfish is the second largest quota holder, with 7.8% of the UK total (643,927 FQAs). Robert Tait and family are ranked 980 on the Rich List (estimated worth: £115m). The family’s Klondyke Fishing Company is the UK’s third-largest quota holder, with 6.1% of the UK total (506,953 FQAs). Andrew Marr and family are ranked 567 on the Rich List (estimated worth: £209m). The family’s Hull-based Andrew Marr International owns or controls 5.1% of UK quota holdings (419,937 FQAs), making it the UK’s 5th largest quota holder. It also has minority stakes in companies and vessel partnerships that hold a further 5.4% of UK quota (445,981 FQAS). Sir Ian Wood and family are ranked 77 on the Rich List, with an estimated worth of £1.7bn (a fortune built largely on oil and gas services). Sir Ian’s fishing business, JW Holdings, holds 1% of the UK’s fishing quota (83,463 FQAs) and has minority investments in businesses/partnerships that hold a further 2.3% (192,169 FQAs). Sometimes I buy fish from a van that comes from Buckie which is supplied by local fishing boats and its interesting to see what fish is available, Haddock is common again but they are smaller than say 15 years ago I also noticed this when I used to buy smokies when ever I visited Arbroath. Cod which was talked about in the media as a replacement for Haddock as a choice for white fish is now not so common. I see more Mackerel in the van and in the supermarkets than before, this was a common fish around the Moray Firth but with boats focused on this stock they are now in trouble. Herring was once the most common fish in our North East waters now it is rare and this year I haven't see a single herring in the van or in the supermarkets. Yet a hundred years ago this fish was vital for the economy of the NE of Scotland and very much a part of the diet. So what is left, farmed fish with the obvious impact they have on the environment. Farmed salmon and this catfish that has been renamed basa which is intensively farmed in Veitnam and exported to us as cheap alternative to our white fish. Basa and chips? I see the tory candidate and brexit buff from trawlermen sold his boat and quota. Thought a captain was meant to go down with his vessel. https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/north-east/peterhead/1884801/trawlerman-jimmy-buchan-is-no-longer-the-proud-owner-of-the-peterhead-registered-amity-ii/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Heard somewhere that nearly all the fish that UK fishermen catch for the UK market, like cod and haddock, are caught outside UK waters, and the vast majority of the catch inside UK waters is sold to EU countries. So tariffs could be a bit of a bummer, even if fewer EU boats are allowed in. Who gives a f**k. It's fishermen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Norwegian perspective. Looks very complicated. Quote Why does this matter? Because in the UK, a pro-single market group of lawyers argue that because the UK is a separate contracting party to the EEA Agreement in its own right, it will remain in the single market even after it leaves the EU, unless it also withdraws from the EEA Agreement, and has brought a judicial review application to a UK Court seeking to clarify that a separate withdrawal from the EEA Agreement was necessary to quit the single market. The Court denied the application, on the grounds that it was premature since the Government had not yet made a final decision on how it would want to withdraw from the EEA. But the case illustrates that there is significant uncertainty around this question. It may ultimately have to be resolved by a European Court, which would entail ongoing legal uncertainty beyond the UK's EU withdrawal for EFTA EEA Member States and their citizens, as well as for the UK and its rights and obligations under the EEA Agreement. https://www.kluge.no/fagforum/legal-consequences-of-brexit/ https://www.kluge.no/fagforum/brexit-and-norwegian-fisheries/ Edited November 14, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Farage accusing the torys of contacting his candidates "offering them jobs to step aside" according to an interview on sky He put a tweet out aswell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Farage accusing the torys of contacting his candidates "offering them jobs to step aside" according to an interview on sky He put a tweet out aswell “The system is corrupt and broken” but he has already propped it up by withdrawing candidates. Hypocritical c**t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 28 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Farage accusing the torys of contacting his candidates "offering them jobs to step aside" according to an interview on sky He put a tweet out aswell Someone could be in serious legal trouble, this is either bribery and a potential violation of the Representation of the People Act 1983 (I am not a legal expert on this but I am sure the actual experts will have opinions soon) or Farage is guilty of a significant and likely actionable slander. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/section/113 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 New evidence that LibDems sold voter data for £100,000 held back till after election https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/new-evidence-that-libdems-sold-voter-data-for-100000-held-back-till-after-election/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: 20 hours ago, welshbairn said: Heard somewhere that nearly all the fish that UK fishermen catch for the UK market, like cod and haddock, are caught outside UK waters, and the vast majority of the catch inside UK waters is sold to EU countries. So tariffs could be a bit of a bummer, even if fewer EU boats are allowed in. Who gives a f**k. It's fishermen One side of my family is generation after generation of fishermen. Are the names..... Gaul..., or Ross Cleveland, of any meaning to you.. ? Edited November 14, 2019 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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