General Election 2019 - AND IT’S LIVE!

[Salvo Montalbano]

Would it not go against EU comp rules? Or are Labour assuming their 2nd referendum would also result in Leave?

Surely it will be like the railways - the state (or a 100% state owned private entity) can own, maintain and operate the infrastructure (the track; the actual broadband fibre optic cables) while allowing access to whomever pays for access (the train operating companies; broadband providers). That would allow a nationally owned provider to have free plans while private firms could still sell packages (which might include TV, additional mobiles, whatever) in the same way the NHS provides free at point of service healthcare but the option of paying for private healthcare is available should you want it.

[Malky3]

4 hours ago, pandarilla said:

You're treating economic forecasts and political pundits views as gospel.

What do you think was said by the Tories when labour started the NHS? Do you think it was easy and seamless? No-one saying it's 'fantasy economics' to think every punter could get free treatment and care across the country? Of course they did.

They are offering massive change to the British economy. You're so brainwashed in your mindset that you can't imagine anything else working. The city forecasters and the Tories are calling it fantasy and you're parroting their lines.

I just know I'm fed up with the status quo. The price of everything and the value of nothing. There's a North European model of much greater social cohesion, higher public spending and higher taxes.

If you like the status quo, that's ok. But don't deny that massive change could happen.

Oh dear. Well considering it was a Conservative / Liberal war-time coalition that commissioned the 1942 Beveridge Report where in Section 19 was the first ever public mention of a "National Health Service" I absolutely know what the Conservatives said about it. Indeed so much so that in 1945 ALL THREE main political parties made reference to the formation of the NHS in their manifestos. 

Perhaps you should retreat and do some History homework. Just to help you this is the section from the Conservative manifesto of 1945 on it

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The health services of the country will be made available to all citizens. Everyone will contribute to the cost, and no one will be denied the attention, the treatment or the appliances he requires because he cannot afford them. We propose to create a comprehensive health service covering the whole range of medical treatment from the general practitioner to the specialist, and from the hospital to convalescence and rehabilitation

The Liberals

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People cannot be happy unless they are healthy. The Liberal aim is a social policy which will help to conquer disease by prevention as well as cure, through good housing, improved nutrition, the lifting of strains and worries caused by fear of unemployment, and through intensified medical research. The Liberal Party’s detailed proposals for improved health services would leave patients free to choose their doctor, for the general practitioner is an invaluable asset in our social life.

And Labour

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By good food and good homes, much avoidable ill-health can be prevented. In addition the best health services should be available free for all. Money must no longer be the passport to the best treatment.

In the new National Health Service there should be health centres where
the people may get the best that modern science can offer, more and better hospitals, and proper conditions for our doctors and nurses. More research is required into the causes of disease and the ways to prevent and cure it.

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Malky3

[Malky3]

4 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

The coverage in the MSM of the Labour broadband proposal is absolutely shocking.

Balanced coverage is already out the window.

There has been no coverage that I have seen about the past Tory election promises that have not been delivered, for example on affordable housing.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-starter-homes-built-under-tory-2015-election-pledge-11854571

5th of November. 

I take it you haven't been paying attention

[Dan Steele]

I'm a bit sketchy on the history of the NHS but was the Conservative White Paper not dealing with London specifically and a local/regional service whereas Bevan's much more radical plan was to have a nationalised, free at the point of service across the whole of the UK? 

[pandarilla]

 

I teach this topic to my higher class.

Churchill agreed to implement the Beveridge report but wasn't particularly clear or definitive on the matter. The Labour party absolutely were.

And it was mainly a conservative labour coalition, not liberal Tory. The fact that Beveridge himself was a liberal may have thrown you.

The conservative party actually voted against the implementation of the NHS, proving that the public were right to doubt their commitment.

[pandarilla]

https://spartacus-educational.com/Lhealth48.htm

Malky, you jumped in with both feet but if you do a bit of proper research you'll realise you spectacularly missed the point.

[Malky3]

5 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

I teach this topic to my higher class.

Churchill agreed to implement the Beveridge report but wasn't particularly clear or definitive on the matter. The Labour party absolutely were.

And it was mainly a conservative labour coalition, not liberal Tory. The fact that Beveridge himself was a liberal may have thrown you.

The conservative party actually voted against the implementation of the NHS, proving that the public were right to doubt their commitment.

Well if you knew it, why ask such a stupid question in the first place? 

From the British Medical Journal

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/31/without-winston-churchill-nhs-would-not-exist

[Benjamin_Nevis]

14 minutes ago, Malky3 said:

Well if you knew it, why ask such a stupid question in the first place? 

From the British Medical Journal

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/31/without-winston-churchill-nhs-would-not-exist

You thick c**t 

You've basically linked to the equivalent of a comments section on a newspaper article and tried to pass it off as a source 

[Dan Steele]

That link is a response to a question raised in, it would appear, a peer reviewed piece which says Bevan was responsible for the set up of the NHS. It is therefore just an opinion from someone who clearly is no fan of Bevan. Interesting that this paragraph features in the piece you reference:

Hospital ancillary services, such as X-ray and Scanning machines,
Pharmacies and Laboratories too could operate on a 24-hour basis to speed
up the processing of a diagnosis. It is done in America.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

 

Well thank f**k Labour won the 1945 election, because all available evidence suggests that the Tories would never have delivered it no matter what their manifesto claimed.

[alta-pete]

As of 2018 Scotland has 92% superfast broadband coverage, the commitment is 100% by 2021.

That’ll be 92% of what? I’m in the Forth Valley and the best I can get across all providers is 9Mbps. Superfast it isn’t.

[Baxter Parp]

1 minute ago, alta-pete said:

That’ll be 92% of what? I’m in the Forth Valley and the best I can get across all providers is 9Mbps. Superfast it isn’t.

Who are you with?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

https://spartacus-educational.com/Lhealth48.htm

Malky, you jumped in with both feet but if you do a bit of proper research you'll realise you spectacularly missed the point.

Imagine trying to give a History teacher a History lesson!!

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[alta-pete]

Who are you with?

Was talktalk, just migrated to sky not so long ago. But that is immaterial really - like I said in my earlier post, you can fibre all you want up to the exchange box but if the last stage is in a 30/40yo copper phone line, there’s your choke point.

[tbsouth]

SNP  44

CONS  7

LIB DEMS  7

LABOUR 1

 

[vikingTON]

You thick c**t [emoji23]
You've basically linked to the equivalent of a comments section on a newspaper article and tried to pass it off as a source [emoji23]

Otherwise known as ‘making an Anthony C Pick of yourself’ (RIP H_B/Detournement).

[Miguel Sanchez]

I haven't been paying attention, and I'm certainly not going to vote Labour or think they would do anything they say they would, but nationalised broadband access (or equivalent) won't and shouldn't happen.

That said, "why should I get it for free when I'm paying for it" is possibly the dumbest question I've ever seen

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Just now, virginton said:

Otherwise known as ‘making an Anthony C Pick of yourself’ (RIP H_B/Detournement).

 

Heady heights for @Malky3 to aspire to, imo.

I think he needs to prioritise quality over quantity though. Repeatedly posting such hilarious "sources" is all well and good but if he wants to pass from mediocre shit-throwing to truly legendary idiocy we're going to need to see:

a) A general election seat prediction and

b) Some investment advice

Until then Malky is strictly second rate. 

[tamthebam]

I don't particularly give a monkey's about free broadband but why is it that policies like that get called "unaffordable" whereas tax cuts for the rich and rescuing failed banks don't? 

[Malky3]

2 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

I don't particularly give a monkey's about free broadband but why is it that policies like that get called "unaffordable" whereas tax cuts for the rich and rescuing failed banks don't? 

Because tax cuts actually have proven to generate more revenue for the UK economy, whilst increased taxation - like the one the SNP imposed on Scottish workers - often fail to raise as much as was forecast whilst rescuing the banks, as unaffordable as it was, left the UK Government with a large shareholding in two of the worlds biggest banks which have gradually been sold off to recoup the initial outlay whilst ensuring that our country continued to run with a high degree of social stability.