ayrunitedfw Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: 100 percent understand why Ayr fans would take a whole load of pleasure from Ian McCall getting relegated to be fair. Cheers Brother. 22 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 37 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: 100 percent understand why Ayr fans would take a whole load of pleasure from Ian McCall getting relegated to be fair. The way in which he left seems to have stung a bit but given what he did for Ayr I think you'd have to be an extremely bitter individual to get great pleasure from him failing elsewhere. I am 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Most football fans in a nutshell tbf when it comes to people leaving. [emoji23]If he left to better himself and ended up doing a lot worse than where he was then it's totally understandable. It's only football too maybe need to chill a bit. This is true. I used to get like that when I was a youngster but I can't remember the last time I 'booed' an ex-player. No loyalty in football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueSue Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 31 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Most football fans in a nutshell tbf when it comes to people leaving. If he left to better himself and ended up doing a lot worse than where he was then it's totally understandable. It's only football too maybe need to chill a bit. This is true. I used to get like that when I was a youngster but I can't remember the last time I 'booed' an ex-player. No loyalty in football. Footballers are self employed. Just like any of us they are entitled to move to another job. Usually the move pays more. Football in general is a shit business. Clubs, Managers, Players, Agents all work for the benefit of themselves. With this in mind I certainly don’t get hung up on players wanting to make the most of the 15 or so years they have in the game to make money. The only true loyalty in football is the supporters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, SueSue said: Footballers are self employed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 This is true. I used to get like that when I was a youngster but I can't remember the last time I 'booed' an ex-player. No loyalty in football. I never really ever get angry at the football to the point I shout abuse or whatever, certainly never booed in my life either. Anything such as McCall going to another team just adds another element to the drama and makes football what it is. All these wee things add en extra element to the entertainment, at the end of the day it's only a game of football and would be boring without it. Fully understand McCalls decision but also fully behind any Ayr supporter that's wanting to see him fail miserably at the same time. [emoji23] In seriousness the Thistle result and the draw in the other game on the face of it look like great results for Arbroath. United beating Alloa before we play next week would be handy too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 The way in which he left seems to have stung a bit but given what he did for Ayr I think you'd have to be an extremely bitter individual to get great pleasure from him failing elsewhere. Not even just the way he left but the way he acted in his last few months didn’t show himself in the best light. That, the way he left and the hypocrisy of leaking Doc on a pre contract when he was raging last season when Neilson did it against us is why a lot of us want him to fail. I’ve no real hatred but it would be funny if they went down. That’s all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Footballers are self employed. Just like any of us they are entitled to move to another job. Usually the move pays more. Football in general is a shit business. Clubs, Managers, Players, Agents all work for the benefit of themselves. With this in mind I certainly don’t get hung up on players wanting to make the most of the 15 or so years they have in the game to make money. The only true loyalty in football is the supporters.Footballers are not self employed [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Footballers obviously work for the clubs but their situation is bizarre, no other field would allow you to employ a representative who clubs have to pay either to have access to you (modern slavery) or pay to agree contracts with. Players if they need an agent should employ the agent not the other way round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, 101 said: Footballers obviously work for the clubs but their situation is bizarre, no other field would allow you to employ a representative who clubs have to pay either to have access to you (modern slavery) or pay to agree contracts with. Players if they need an agent should employ the agent not the other way round. Players do employ their agents. footballers(and others in sport) are fairly unique but not totally. If a company employed a project manager on a 2 year contract and wanted to leave and work for a direct competitor half way through that they’d find that a very difficult process. Quite a lot of contracts don’t allow employees to join a competitor without a significant gap. guess the biggest difference if you were in that position outside of sport you are still free to talk openly with the other company and come to a deal before negotiating your release from the original contract but in sport the negotiations are done firstly between the businesses and then the player gets the chance to talk to the other side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Players do employ their agents. footballers(and others in sport) are fairly unique but not totally. If a company employed a project manager on a 2 year contract and wanted to leave and work for a direct competitor half way through that they’d find that a very difficult process. Quite a lot of contracts don’t allow employees to join a competitor without a significant gap. guess the biggest difference if you were in that position outside of sport you are still free to talk openly with the other company and come to a deal before negotiating your release from the original contract but in sport the negotiations are done firstly between the businesses and then the player gets the chance to talk to the other side. Certain agents charge the club an access fee or brokering fee the players should pay all the agents fees otherwise what's the point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Thistle look doomed - the worst team I've seen us play this season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 11 hours ago, 101 said: Footballers obviously work for the clubs but their situation is bizarre, no other field would allow you to employ a representative who clubs have to pay either to have access to you (modern slavery) or pay to agree contracts with. Players if they need an agent should employ the agent not the other way round. Saying "no other field" and then referring to agents, a job which exists for a great number of different fields 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thumper said: Saying "no other field" and then referring to agents, a job which exists for a great number of different fields Can you give me an example of where an agent can charge an employer for access to someone, this is modern slavery, the agent owns the player they can only play for clubs willing to pay access fees, despite the player employing the agent. It's a slippery slope and one the football world seems to have sleep walked into. Spoiler The following definitions are encompassed within the term 'modern slavery' for the purposes of the Modern Slavery Act 2015. These are: 'slavery' is where ownership is exercised over a person 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, 101 said: Can you give me an example of where an agent can charge an employer for access to someone, this is modern slavery, the agent owns the player they can only play for clubs willing to pay access fees, despite the player employing the agent. It's a slippery slope and one the football world seems to have sleep walked into. Third-party ownership was banned by both FIFA and the EU in 2015. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Thumper said: Third-party ownership was banned by both FIFA and the EU in 2015. I know, and yet cash for access happens to this day. ETA examples of other industries of agents working in this way? Edited February 9, 2020 by 101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbowl Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 United beating Alloa before we play next week would be handy too.Booooo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Excellent, this could be the first thing we've won since 2012/13... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtie78 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 I never really ever get angry at the football to the point I shout abuse or whatever, certainly never booed in my life either. Blair Currie could testify otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 20 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: 100 percent understand why Ayr fans would take a whole load of pleasure from Ian McCall getting relegated to be fair. Never fully took to McCall, a very flawed manager who had a disaster just round the corner at all times and I thought he was an absolute weapon of a guy. Did a good job with us leaving us in a good place but he will always be the idiot manager that lost to a junior club, f**k him. Long may he fail. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) For 8th place or higher Bare minimum : 34 points More likely than not: 41 points Better than 90% chance 43 points For 4th place or higher Bare minimum: 44 points More likely than not: 51 points Better than 90% chance: 54 points I won’t include the chance of winners unless Utd start leaking oil very very badly. They can still mathematically drop out of the top 4 but it’s almost impossible. And yes, Ayr and Dundee can still finish bottom but I wouldn’t be betting on it. Edited February 10, 2020 by Fuctifano 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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