Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Mastermind]

19 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

To be fair to the UK government they pretty much had to pause any potential lockdown measures til after the horse racing. A wee jolly at the Cheltenham festival is far more important than people's lives

Cheltenham isn’t really an excuse for the Scottish Govt not locking down Scotland though. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Saw this yesterday -
And pub chain Wetherspoon’s unveiled plans to reopen its bars and hotels in June. Boss Tim Martin said: “The company is likely to make some changes to its operating model, assuming increased social distancing.”
and this -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/02/deliveroo-venture-capitalism-food-delivery-business-model
The food delivery company is a case study in the destructive nature of its own ‘disruptive’ business model
In nature, parasites die off too.

Deliveroo are the absolute pits of a company. A friend of mine works in the emergency services and got a report of concern for a deliveroo guy, some apparent public mental breakdown and telling people he was going to kill himself, think it was the police who tried to trace him via deliveroo and they refused to provide details despite an apparent threat to the guys life, they dont give a shit about the public, the restaurants they rip off or their own staff, f**k these companies.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

2 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

If by "intelligent and reasonably effective leader" you mean "a centrist nobody who is about 2 days away from offering to give Boris Johnson a reach around" then I completely agree.

The hard left approach to UK politics has been tried, and failed disastrously.

The reason why we have that fucking clown as PM, merrily dictating policy with virtually no opposition at all, is because of the hard left.

 

[Todd_is_God]

20 minutes ago, Mastermind said:

Cheltenham isn’t really an excuse for the Scottish Govt not locking down Scotland though. 

Whilst this is true, the Scottish Government has no way or means of implementing a scheme like the job retention scheme.

Fairly certain ensuring mass unemployment overnight is not a wise decision for any government to make.

[marty_j]

I’d like to think you’re correct but even prior to the testing lies there has been a full expose of the government’s failings; it doesn’t seem to have made any difference.
Pretty depressing in truth.

Indeed quite the opposite

Fucking grim

[effeffsee_the2nd]

To be fair to the UK government they pretty much had to pause any potential lockdown measures til after the horse racing. A wee jolly at the Cheltenham festival is far more important than people's lives

To play devil’s advocate for a minute, suppose we had an ultra strict lockdown in early march when there were only a handful of cases then it would have dramatically reduced the overall rates, but would it be realistic to shut everything down for a few dozen cases ? And I included any future disease when i say that .

The information from China wasn’t the most reliable. They knew it was highly contagious and attacked the vulnerable much like flu but with no population exposure would spread easily, they also knew it wasn’t exactly pneumonic plague either.

It’s easy with hindsight to say they should have .... but hindsight is20/20. Real life is not about pushing the big red button every time something scary happens. Scary things happen all the time unfortunately & you can’t just stop the world ans hide at home every time they do. Those who recommend that for everything from virus to terrorism to crime to bad weather probably don’t have a good understanding of risk assessing management .

[Granny Danger]

8 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The hard left approach to UK politics has been tried, and failed disastrously.

The reason why we have that fucking clown as PM, merrily dictating policy with virtually no opposition at all, is because of the hard left.

 

Who have we had in a position of influence in U.K. politics who is hard left?

[NotThePars]

4 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

Starmer is too busy congratulating the government on doing an awesome job to point any of this out

No, you see, if you actually tuned in to PMQs like the 14 other viewers in the country you would see that he's actually spinning a web of intrigue that's going to make Raab and Johnson look like fools. You wouldn't notice this if you were only watching the 30 second gotcha clips of him effusively praising the govt. that millions of people saw instead. That's real opposition. 

55 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

To be fair to the UK government they pretty much had to pause any potential lockdown measures til after the horse racing. A wee jolly at the Cheltenham festival is far more important than people's lives

I'll have you know that I funded my last ever sesh with a win at Cheltenham.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

31 minutes ago, Snafu said:

So we could be heading for a death toll of around 27,000 in a few weeks second only to Italy and you still have our government toying with the figures just because it makes them look bad !!!.

The repercussions of this on our country's leadership will come with the investigations and there will be no amount of disinformation and history re writing that will hide this complete mess. The heartbreak of losing loved ones will turn to anger and there will be certain individuals who will have to be held accountable for their actions before, during and likely after the pandemic dies down. This is criminal what has been going on.

When you also have BS like this coming from this slimy piece of shit - Hancock says UK hit 100,000 tests amid claims tally is artificially boosted....

and the rest.

I have to step away from the laptop my blood is boiling.

All of that is true, but none of it will make any difference.

The narrative of how (un)succesful events have been once we come out of this is already being dictated by the Tories and the right wing press. The Guardian and left leaning online echo chambers like this forum are effectively howling at the moon (sadly).

The vast, vast majority of people in the UK are not directly effected by the virus in the sense of losing close relatives. Yes, they're watching the news every night and are seeing tales of woe, but if you're not directly effected then it's soon forgotten. 

As I said earlier, the Tories have been politicising the crisis for some time now. Every day, the country will be bombarded with positive metaphors from some cuddly guy known only as 'Boris'......the truth is only an awkward sideline to the narrative that is about to be built up. 

You had better keep an eye on your blood pressure, because it's going to get a whole lot worse over the next 6 months. 

[Moomintroll]

42 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Deliveroo are the absolute pits of a company. A friend of mine works in the emergency services and got a report of concern for a deliveroo guy, some apparent public mental breakdown and telling people he was going to kill himself, think it was the police who tried to trace him via deliveroo and they refused to provide details despite an apparent threat to the guys life, they dont give a shit about the public, the restaurants they rip off or their own staff, f**k these companies.

The joys of GDPR & the threat of being sacked if you do not adhere rigidly to it.

[AsimButtHitsASix]

51 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

 

 

To play devil’s advocate for a minute, suppose we had an ultra strict lockdown in early march when there were only a handful of cases then it would have dramatically reduced the overall rates, but would it be realistic to shut everything down for a few dozen cases ? And I included any future disease when i say that .
 

 

So far New Zealand is saying "Yes"

[bennett]

3 hours ago, jagfox99 said:

Can picture Magee driving his van around Stirling while wearing a balaclava. 

[Thereisalight..]

Yet another letter from the Scottish Government arrived today, the exact same one that I got on Wed. I thought the mail was stopping Sat deliveries

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

The joys of GDPR & the threat of being sacked if you do not adhere rigidly to it.

GDPR provides for information to be shared with police when there is an immediate threat to the persons safety, they have an obligation to share.

[Moomintroll]

26 minutes ago, throbber said:

I don’t know much about the new leader but every time I have seen him he is commending the Conservatives for their handling of the outbreak so far. He’s the leader of the fucking opposition and he’s not using the fact we will probably be the second worst hit country on earth due to his opponents negligence to try and make him and his party look like the better option to vote for! What is the point in him being there if he’s not putting the heat on the Conservatives handling of this outbreak? Do you think BoJo, Gove and JRM would be so lenient on an SNP/Labour coalition government if they were in charge and things were going this badly? Still, at least we have Piers Morgan holding the government to account. 

Winning hearts and minds during the crisis before unleashing both barrels around their failures afterwards. People have ripped into me on here before for admitting which way I have voted, but give me a centre left leaning Labour Party with no extremists at the forefront & I will vote for them. Fingers crossed that Kier Starmer might just deliver that.

[Moomintroll]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

GDPR provides for information to be shared with police when there is an immediate threat to the persons safety, they have an obligation to share.

I know that and so do you but people are petrified of making a mistake due to threats from their employers and general misinformation so they will always err on the side of caution.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said:

I know that and so do you but people are petrified of making a mistake due to threats from their employers and general misinformation so they will always err on the side of caution.

What's the side of caution when someone's threatening suicide?

[bennett]

2 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said:

Winning hearts and minds during the crisis before unleashing both barrels around their failures afterwards. People have ripped into me on here before for admitting which way I have voted, but give me a centre left leaning Labour Party with no extremists at the forefront & I will vote for them. Fingers crossed that Kier Starmer might just deliver that.

In my lifetime the only labour leader who actually won an election was one who used watered down Tory policies.  Corbyn was far too extreme to win an election,  no wonder Boris walked it.

Atleast in Scotland we had an alternative choice.

[Moomintroll]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

What's the side of caution when someone's threatening suicide?

I am scared to lose my job by sharing this, remember I work for a company that sacked a long serving employee for chasing a shoplifter. There is no wonder people are scared when faced with such a draconian law.

[Granny Danger]

7 minutes ago, bennett said:

In my lifetime the only labour leader who actually won an election was one who used watered down Tory policies.  Corbyn was far too extreme to win an election,  no wonder Boris walked it.

Atleast in Scotland we had an alternative choice.

In what way was Corbyn “extreme”?  Maybe @Bob Mahelp can give you a hand here.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Granny Danger