Sergeant Wilson Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 hours ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: 60% wages for free is still good if you think about it. 5 days work a week is 20% a day. 60% wages is 3 days pay for free. You only have to work 2 days a week to get your normal wages. Especially if you don't eat for the 2 days you don't get paid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 hours ago, pozbaird said: Was reading about English golf courses opening on Wednesday. No rakes in bunkers, no touching the flagpole. Seats and benches removed from courses. Foam placed in holes to stop the ball dropping into the hole, which would mean you have to reach down into the hole to remove the ball. Solo play only, unless you have someone in your own household who also plays. No scorecards. No changing rooms - change in car parks only. Nowhere to eat or drink before or after the round. You have to arrive just before your tee time, and depart immediately afterwards. No socialising with other players. No medals, no competitions. Lengthened gaps between tee times.... As much as I am keen to get back playing - in the name of actual fcuk... If pubs and restaurants have to behave like this - the next time I would even want to go to a pub or restaurant will likely be in a couple of years time. When you add in that you will likely be asked to wear a mask, by a mask wearing, glove wearing waiter, and treated like you have leprosy by anyone you don’t keep 2m or more away from, with anyone coughing being looked at like they have three heads... Just surreal. Looking forward to going for a curry and a pint - in 2022, if anywhere is left to get them. We are all, in so many areas of our lives, going to have to change our behaviour and run up against unexpected obstacles on a regular basis. Carrying out regular tasks and activities will have to adapt to the strictures demanded by the effort to protect against this virus. Just yesterday, my counterpart at another jail asked if she could scrounge a lift to a training course we're both attending. "No bother," I said, before realising, almost before hanging up the phone,that sitting in a car together for an hour each way doesn't exactly maintain Social Distancing. Sure, guidance says that it should be OK if we roll the windows down (P&B advice being taken nationally there), but 1. outside temperature this morning was 2 degrees. Fúck driving for an hour in that! and 2. We're both H&S Advisers, and the course is to train us to train staff in the correct use of PPE. Probably not the best example to set... Looks like she's driving herself, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, bendan said: But TTI isn't useless above a certain number unless you've accepted the herd immunity route. We are past the peak, so even doing TTI only for some cases would clearly accelerate the decline and speed up the opening up. It's just another government failure. Well the strength of TTI lies in being able to trace and contact. That way any new cluster that pops up can be quickly isolated. Above a certain R number it becomes impossible to trace with confidence any given infection vector since the general infection rate is high enough that it all tangles together. Hence why the answer to that is to pursue isolation for everyone - lockdown. The R value has to be low enough to do two things: First, so that the infection rate does not immediately explode back up and two to allow TTI to pick up the slack. There is little value in the Trace and Isolate sections of TTI before that point. Better to spend the time building a sustainable infrastructure for it. I note that the NHS contact team jobsite is up with applications until 22nd May. So if the numbers hold and we are looking at early June when the R value in the general population drops low enough, then it all meshes together so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”.The vast majority of people in England don’t use public transport to get to work. I think it’s about 20% who do and that will be even less outside of London. Not to say that it won’t be an issue but public transport is generally used far less than private cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The message from Johnson about not using public transport shows just how disconnected from reality the Tories are. ”We encourage you to go to work but please have your chauffeur take you, whilst maintaining a 2m distance obviously”. I think those stretch limos will be just perfect for the task. Expect to see more of them every day. ☺ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 That's cooncil just been round again, this time 2 lovely teachers from my sons school. The goodies this time were; 30 eggs 10 packets of instant noodles, all different flavours 30 cartons of blue top milk (school milk) 600g of baby milk formula (as i have a child under 4) well pleased with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Stellaboz said: I'm not a fan of supermarkets making everyone take a trolley despite if there's 2of you going in, or if you just want a couple of loads of bread or whatever. It doesn't increase social distancing and instead forces less space within the shopping aisles to get past. ^^^^ hoarder found 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, renton said: Well the strength of TTI lies in being able to trace and contact. That way any new cluster that pops up can be quickly isolated. Above a certain R number it becomes impossible to trace with confidence any given infection vector since the general infection rate is high enough that it all tangles together. Hence why the answer to that is to pursue isolation for everyone - lockdown. The R value has to be low enough to do two things: First, so that the infection rate does not immediately explode back up and two to allow TTI to pick up the slack. There is little value in the Trace and Isolate sections of TTI before that point. Better to spend the time building a sustainable infrastructure for it. I note that the NHS contact team jobsite is up with applications until 22nd May. So if the numbers hold and we are looking at early June when the R value in the general population drops low enough, then it all meshes together so far. But R0 has been very low for weeks now - there's no reason to think it will drop lower in the general population. That's why we are past the peak. The current 'lockdown' is not literally a lockdown, so TTI would still be useful. We should have been recruiting before we even got to the peak, not starting to recruit several weeks past it. Edited May 12, 2020 by bendan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 10 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: I know it’s not meant to be pleasant right now, but going shopping etc really is a horrible experience. Some workers and customers all masked up, the Perspex dividers and so much more. Even the local chippy staff were masked up today and I was only allowed to stand at the door and wait for my order. They're just being sensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, SlipperyP said: That's cooncil just been round again, this time 2 lovely teachers from my sons school. The goodies this time were; 30 eggs 10 packets of instant noodles, all different flavours 30 cartons of blue top milk (school milk) 600g of baby milk formula (as i have a child under 4) well pleased with that. Sounds like a @BigFatTabbyDave dine in special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, throbber said: I take it car sharing won’t he looked upon favourably then? Guys at my work travel to work in van loads of 3-7 people in them as well and taking their own transport isn’t going to be an option for them getting to Perspex shielding between each person in the van was mentioned last night by boris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just allow everyone back to work as long as they're dressed in Jude Law's gear in Contagion: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, ICTChris said: The vast majority of people in England don’t use public transport to get to work. I think it’s about 20% who do and that will be even less outside of London. Not to say that it won’t be an issue but public transport is generally used far less than private cars. You’re probably right. What’s your solution for the 20% who do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, throbber said: I’m sure it will be a piece of piss to sort that one out for every transit van in the country. I did have a chuckle when it was mentioned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: I am no friend of the Tories, but that is the work of an idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You’re probably right. What’s your solution for the 20% who do? There clearly isn't any solution other than stay at home or accept increased risk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, bendan said: But you'd pay proportionately more tax and (for most people) NI on that 40%, would need to pay for transportation, and you'd probably spend quite a bit on lunch, snacks and other work-induced spending. So it's quite a bit over half net income with fewer outgoings, not taking into account that simply having time to do stuff yourself saves money. The idea behind reducing it to 60% was to ease you back to work by allowing you to work part-time with your employer. i.e. if you normally work 40 hours you'd work 16 and be paid 100% of your salary for it (60% govt, 40% employer). It would have no impact on the tax or ni you normally paid, and would allow for your employer to trade at a reduced turnover without laying people off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Why is it the people who post these things are the least likely to visit their family under normal circumstances. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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