Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, stumigoo said: You’ll have some empirical evidence to prove that? Empirical evidence on P&B? Dear dear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: I'm sure there are a few teachers who want to be teachers but there are more than a few who are in it for days off and couldn't get a job anywhere else. To get through the process to become a teacher you have to demonstrate a passable level of presentation skills, communication skills, ability to balance a heavy workload, forward planning, creativity, patience, composure when things go wrong, conflict resolution, an ability to interact with people from varying backgrounds and of varying ages and educational ability, good record-keeping, attention to detail, ability to monitor and assess progress across various areas... I could go on. Of course, teachers will not all be equal in these things, like any job. However, the idea that someone could be considered suitable to do a job requiring these skills yet 'unable to get a job anywhere else' is beyond silly. Offices the length and breadth of the country are packed with feckless souls who would break down greeting if asked to do a teacher's job for a week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Empirical evidence on P&B? Dear dear.Yeah, imagine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 You'd think people would be tripping over themselves become teachers what with the government bri...training grants, perks, job satisfaction, and glamorous stress-free life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, stumigoo said: Yeah, imagine. Well I only offer uncorroborated opinions and I have no evidence that these opinions are even mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 You'd think people would be tripping over themselves become teachers what with the government bri...training grants, perks, job satisfaction, and glamorous stress-free life. Teaching is a very noble calling, but I do think they should be expected to help their pupils catch up, if more money is required then so be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: The lockdown wasn't specifically designed to avoid loss of life per se, it was designed to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed with hospitalisations all at once, which would inevitably have resulted in horrendous scenes and more than likely even more deaths. This has been explained to you more than once. And there was never a time when the NHS was close to being overwhelmed. There's no guarantee the lockdown prevented anything. Deaths peaked about 18 days after the lockdown started. Based on the average time from infection to death being around 23 days then they peaked before the lockdown would have impacted on that. The government's own projections cited a lockdown being necessary to push the peak back to May. This clearly didn't happen which should provide an insight in to how effective it was at protecting the NHS. The government decided on a herd immunity approach, got spooked by Ferguson's nonsense model, and in turn implemented a half arsed lockdown with disatrous socio-economic effects which it will now struggle to pull back until the fabled vaccine is maybe produced. Edited May 12, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, virginton said: Well no, what we actually saw here was someone claim with a straight face that teachers want nothing more to be in the classroom doing their job right now, when we all know that they much prefer sitting in the house instead. Do you honestly believe teachers prefer this online model of remote working to actually being in a school? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Gaz said: Do you honestly believe teachers prefer this online model of remote working to actually being in a school? I think it's safe to say some will be enjoying a slight change of pace, whilst others, particularly those less technologically minded, will be hating it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 We'll have hope teachers and such like don't see a significant lift in their wage packet, this shitstorm will have to be paid for once it's over, hopefully we'll all be in it together this time round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: I think it's safe to say some will be enjoying a slight change of pace, whilst others, particularly those less technologically minded, will be hating it. You may be right, but in my experience the majority want to be back in school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 We'll have hope teachers and such like don't see a significant lift in their wage packet, this shitstorm will have to be paid for once it's over, hopefully we'll all be in it together this time round. Just scrap hs2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 This thread just now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gaz said: Do you honestly believe teachers prefer this online model of remote working to actually being in a school? Based on the teachers I hear and see from, yes. There are a few who claim that emailing parents back and forth is much more stressful than trying to manage a physical classroom of thirty weans though, which is when I go back to laughing at their mock piety routine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Just now, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Just scrap hs2. And Trident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Do you honestly believe teachers prefer this online model of remote working to actually being in a school?Its pretty evident that he uses his wailing about UNIVERSITY OF LIFE!!!! types to mask the fact that he has absolutely zero experience of actual adult existence whatsoever. He's exposed it a few times on this thread. And folk wonder why his occasional decent point gets lost.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 When you consider the hours that nurses etc in the NHS must be doing just now to get us through this, teachers getting a bit arsey about possibly doing a little extra so the kids can catch up isn't a good look -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I think it's safe to say some will be enjoying a slight change of pace, whilst others, particularly those less technologically minded, will be hating it.I’ve found the whole experience of working from home horrific. I’m in Guidance so it’s slightly different for me in terms of class teaching but the nature of trying to look after, and provide for, vulnerable children (and trying to do that remotely) has been horrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, virginton said: Based on the teachers I hear and see from, yes. There are a few who claim that emailing parents back and forth is much more stressful than trying to manage a physical classroom of thirty weans though, which is when I go back to laughing at their mock piety routine. We'll agree to disagree then. The majority of my colleagues say the opposite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven W said: When you consider the hours that nurses etc in the NHS must be doing just now to get us through this, teachers getting a bit arsey about possibly doing a little extra so the kids can catch up isn't a good look Doing a little extra for free. Do you think any nurses are being asked to work unpaid hours? Do you think teachers will refuse to do neccessary catch up work within their contracted hours? How many hours should be given away for free? Or for alternative wording of the question, how big a wage cut should teachers take? And who else should be getting their hourly rate cut? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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