mizfit Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week.Is the pub thing confirmed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Is the pub thing confirmed?I’ve only read that he will be following a German model to “top up” wages, if hours need to be cut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Pretty hard for Glasgow to justify filling its accommodation halls with kids, while planning to offer next to no teaching that's not online, I'd have thought. Some teaching is going ahead I.e where people are on courses with practical elements such as lab work etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week.Surely it will be some sort of furlough extension for those industries unable to open in a covid secure manner rather than a scheme which will enable facilities to close down which are currently open. Covering employees wages is only half the battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: 20 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week. Surely it will be some sort of furlough extension for those industries unable to open in a covid secure manner rather than a scheme which will enable facilities to close down which are currently open. Covering employees wages is only half the battle. He has to start thinking about how many years can they pay people to sit at home. Covid is not going away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 He has to start thinking about how many years can they pay people to sit at home. Covid is not going away.I get what you're saying but you cant throw millions onto the scrapheap as entire industries shut down through no fault of anyones (so to speak, I'd be here all day if I started about Westminster and Holyrood's handling of the pandemic). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: This is meant well, but actually feels like a kiss of death tbh. Unlucky @Szamo's_Ammo you had a good run pal. I borrowed this from a forum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jambomo said: Some teaching is going ahead I.e where people are on courses with practical elements such as lab work etc. That's why I said "next to no teaching" as opposed to "no teaching". It's very limited. Plenty of the students accommodated in halls are receiving no such input at all. It really begs the question as to what they're doing there. There's no logic that suggests teaching some classes in small groups would be intrinsically unsafe; yet housing hundreds of students close together isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Covid indeed isn't going away and therefore we need to work out how we're going to live with it. Random changes in restrictions, periodic lockdowns and shutting down parts of the economy are stop gap measures and are not sustainable in the long term. That the government has made zero progress in trying to work this out is frankly unforgivable, and that many other European governments have made similarly zero progress in this regard is not an excuse. I've said it before, but we are absolutely not living with the virus, we are hiding from it and hoping it goes away. What if the vaccine fails? Are we just carry on locking down every 4 months when cases reach a level the government decides it will no longer willing to tolerate? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Surely nobody is panic buying?The shops did not shut during lockdown and will not shut now.I hate people Loo roll sales have increased again.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/toilet-roll-sales-rise-coronavirus-restrictions-a4554511.html%3famp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I've seldom been as angry as I was regarding the panic buying back in March, pathetic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: 8 hours ago, Have some faith in Magic said: 119 of the 383 cases in Scotland yesterday were in the 19 or under age category. The last 7 days saw 1993 cases of those 72 were in ages 5-14 with a further 322 15-19 so a fair chunk of those not school kids. To put into proper perspective the same period saw 655 cases for 25-44yo and 517 for 45-64 yo. As I have pointed out now several times not the driving vector you portray and thankfully for the kids sakes both Govts can see this. Just catching up with the thread and came across this post which appears to try to show that infection rates are higher in bandings of 20 years (25-44 and 45-64) than they are in 10 year banding (5-14) and 5 year banding (15-19) of course the absolute numbers are higher. However, based on your own figures, there are: 64.4 cases per age year in the 15-19 age group, 32.75 in the 25-44 and 25.85 in the 45-64 This doesn't even take into account the demographics of each age band which would make the relative number for the 15-19 age group even worse. I am sure that the government can see this but they continue to ignore it as the "science" wouldn't back up the political and economic position that they are taking. Interestingly we haven't heard any scientific evidence that backs up keeping schools open. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I'm enjoying the new information adverts with Dr Steedman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Bert Raccoon said: I'm enjoying the new information adverts with Dr Steedman What information is this? Where would I find this information? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Melanius Mullarkey said: What information is this? Where would I find this information? She seems to have taken over as the more friendly face of CoVid and Leitch seems to have been subbed. I for one am all for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Bert Raccoon said: She seems to have taken over as the more friendly face of CoVid and Leitch seems to have been subbed. I for one am all for this. This I can get on board with. ’mon the Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just catching up with the thread and came across this post which appears to try to show that infection rates are higher in bandings of 20 years (25-44 and 45-64) than they are in 10 year banding (5-14) and 5 year banding (15-19) of course the absolute numbers are higher. However, based on your own figures, there are: 64.4 cases per age year in the 15-19 age group, 32.75 in the 25-44 and 25.85 in the 45-64 This doesn't even take into account the demographics of each age band which would make the relative number for the 15-19 age group even worse. I am sure that the government can see this but they continue to ignore it as the "science" wouldn't back up the political and economic position that they are taking. Interestingly we haven't heard any scientific evidence that backs up keeping schools open.That's the way they present the year breakdown stats. Problem with your version is that virtually no 18 & 19yo are at school and even at 17 it will be reduced. The vast majority of the 15-19 bracket over the last week or so will be college or university students rather than school pupils. Schools are open so a case needs to be made for closing them more than keeping them open. So far no such evidence has been presented. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Rob1885 said: I've seldom been as angry as I was regarding the panic buying back in March, pathetic. Is it panic buying, or good sense, to buy stuff in anticipation of others panic buying? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Is it panic buying, or good sense, to buy stuff in anticipation of others panic buying?Had this conversation with many people at the time, which I get to an extent.The problem is that if everybody goes with the attitude of "I'm going to buy in bulk because f**k getting caught out when everybody else is doing it" you get the same result.Its selfishness in its purest form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Michael W said: Covid indeed isn't going away and therefore we need to work out how we're going to live with it. Random changes in restrictions, periodic lockdowns and shutting down parts of the economy are stop gap measures and are not sustainable in the long term. That the government has made zero progress in trying to work this out is frankly unforgivable, and that many other European governments have made similarly zero progress in this regard is not an excuse. I've said it before, but we are absolutely not living with the virus, we are hiding from it and hoping it goes away. What if the vaccine fails? Are we just carry on locking down every 4 months when cases reach a level the government decides it will no longer willing to tolerate? Other than "hide" from it the only other option is to let it run its course through the population - being stubborn and keeping everything open would kill thousands every government in the world is waiting for a vaccine because the trials look positive if all the trials fail then perhaps a super strict N.Z style lockdown will be enforced around the world to drive prevalence of the virus down but other than that I have no idea what we could do. Hyper shielding of the over 40s and those with underlying medical conditions? I can't see that being very popular. If schools have to remain open which for most of the population seems to be a must and the economy has to have some kind of activity then I think we are stuck with what we have just now. The frustration for me comes from actually having a good track and trace system but its still a bit slow people who are contacts should be contacted the same day as the positive result not the following day, I'm sure this will get better but until it does and folk stick with the self isolation advice then this is as good as it gets. Sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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