Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Binos]

We should be speeding up the vaccinations as much as possible

Divert all resources to it

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, Snafu said:

It's at the heart of SNP central and the opportunity to call the FM a hypocrite.

I'm sure most of us have forgotten to put a mask at some point this year.

I certainly have - and I'm an HS&F Adviser now - encouraging compliance is literally part of my job.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

So the vaccine expert who has studied all the pzizer papers (not Tony Blair) states that by the time the 2nd dose takes effect to 95%, only having the 1st dose would have a 91% effect anyway.
It appears to be a no brainer to double the amount of needy people being vaccinated on these numbers. Against losing 4% effectivety.

Here’s an idea from a numpty on a fitbaw forum- highest risk and most exposure = 2 jags
Everyone else = 1

[welshbairn]

38 minutes ago, Steven W said:

This new strain - supposedly more transmissible than before. But also no evidence to suggest it'll make people any more I'll than before.

I wonder if (trying to be optimistic here) it might in fact prove to be milder than before (ultimately for a virus to survive and multiply it can't afford to be too deadly). Is it possible that in a couple of months this may actually prove to be a positive turn of events?

Or am I trying too hard!

Hopefully, though it's too soon to tell, it could be more dangerous. The steep rise in hospitalisations in the South East isn't encouraging.

[The Moonster]

27 minutes ago, Mr X said:

It has been mutating since the start at a rate of one or two mutations a month. This variation has shown 17 mutations all at once.

Probably not worth worrying about though, eh?

All data so far points to it being more contagious but nothing I've seen suggests its more likely to hospitalise people or kill them.

So aye, probably not worth locking down the entire country for another month. Like I say, no adult discussion on this, we've to accept something scary (17 mutations!!!1!) is happening and sit at home, depressed as f**k, while the government pretend they have a handle on it.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, hk blues said:

She clearly does.  This was hardly a big one but surely you can understand why it's newsworthy?  When Boris's father fucked up he made the news did he not?  

Which time?In the shop? On the Tube Platform? Flying to Greece? And, honestly, do you think the entitled old cúnt "fuked up" or just didn't believe he had to follow rules designed for the masses?

Absolutely none of these blatant contraventions received anything like the coverage afforded Sturgeon's error, which she has addressed immediately and apparently sincerely.

[renton]

3 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

All data so far points to it being more contagious but nothing I've seen suggests its more likely to hospitalise people or kill them.

So aye, probably not worth locking down the entire country for another month. Like I say, no adult discussion on this, we've to accept something scary (17 mutations!!!1!) is happening and sit at home, depressed as f**k, while the government pretend they have a handle on it.

Well, more contagious means greater liklihood of infecting vulnerable people who otherwise would not be infected under current restrictions, and therefore you get to more hospitalizations and deaths even with a strain that is no more dangerous.

[The Moonster]

1 hour ago, D.A.F.C said:

What do you mean its a smokescreen?
The latest increase in cases and greater percentage of the new variant says that its more transmissible. Yes its possible that theyre using this as a blunt tool to stop people travelling at Christmas time but its for a reason. How are people still thinking this is a hoax or something?
Some prank.

As per my previous post, it might be more transmissable but nothing shows its going to kill or hospitalise more people, which is why we have tough restrictions.

I'm not saying the mutations aren't real.

[MP_MFC]

If there is really only a 4% difference then it's ludicrous that they're not doing this but there must be more to it.

[Ron Aldo]

Tony Blair appears to be arguing we should give everyone one shot of the vaccine when the prevailing opinion seems to be that you need to give two doses for it to be fully effective.

Is he not saying that everyone should be given 1 shot to give everybody some level of protection before they start working through everyone again with the 2nd shot?

I think the current plan is for priority groups to get both shots before some groups will even have had one.

[hk blues]

Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Which time?In the shop? On the Tube Platform? Flying to Greece? And, honestly, do you think the entitled old cúnt "fuked up" or just didn't believe he had to follow rules designed for the masses?

Absolutely none of these blatant contraventions received anything like the coverage afforded Sturgeon's error, which she has addressed immediately and apparently sincerely.

None of that changes the fact that people in a certain position are held against a higher standard than the rest of us.  Rightly so in my opinion. 

Again I will say her mistake is hardly heinous but it is newsworthy.  

[The Moonster]

2 minutes ago, renton said:

Well, more contagious means greater liklihood of infecting vulnerable people who otherwise would not be infected under current restrictions, and therefore you get to more hospitalizations and deaths even with a strain that is no more dangerous.

Uh huh. None of that means tougher tier 4 restrictions are required for the entire population. Shield the vulnerable, continue vaccinating. 

[dirty dingus]

“Recently released data from Pfizer suggests that the efficacy might only be 50-60% after the first dose – which is quite low.

 

“The trial data shows that the maximum protection of (over) 90% is only achieved after the second dose.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, renton said:

Well, more contagious means greater liklihood of infecting vulnerable people who otherwise would not be infected under current restrictions, and therefore you get to more hospitalizations and deaths even with a strain that is no more dangerous.

Exactly why far greater scrutiny should be getting poured onto vaccine delivery, why all options should be getting explored rather than some shitty online booking system for NHS staff to get round to at some point, and why Sturgeon was out of order getting all shirty with Richard Leonard yesterday.

Once again, the people who lead us now the bottleneck to the resumption of normal life and the end of restrictions because getting the vaccine out there is firmly their remit. No more fucking excuses from them, no more whining and guilt tripping the public. I have seen nothing to convince me that everything that can be done to speed this up is being done.

[Marshmallo]

1 minute ago, dirty dingus said:

“Recently released data from Pfizer suggests that the efficacy might only be 50-60% after the first dose – which is quite low.

 

“The trial data shows that the maximum protection of (over) 90% is only achieved after the second dose.

I'll trust Pfizer over Tony Blair on the efficacy of a Pfizer manufactured and tested vaccine.

[Homer Thompson]

All data so far points to it being more contagious but nothing I've seen suggests its more likely to hospitalise people or kill them.
So aye, probably not worth locking down the entire country for another month. Like I say, no adult discussion on this, we've to accept something scary (17 mutations!!!1!) is happening and sit at home, depressed as f**k, while the government pretend they have a handle on it.

Theres very little data available, that's the problem.

No one is saying something scary is happening but there's no doubt something is happening. The options are ignore it and hope for the best or deal with it.

Not sure what adult discussions you want here. You're acting like the governments want to go into lockdown down and are just looking for any excuse.

[Thereisalight..]

4 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I thought it was a funeral do. They can open for those, you can drink as well, I'm  told by a professional mourner I know.

 

So covid can differentiate and know you’re a mourner and therefore allowed to have a drink, yet there’s the whole “is soup a substantial enough meal to have with a glass of alcohol?”. Yet another rule that’s a farce    

Edited December 23, 2020 by Thereisalight..

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, Mr X said:

 

Theres very little data available, that's the problem.

No one is saying something scary is happening but there's no doubt something is happening. The options are ignore it and hope for the best or deal with it.

Not sure what adult discussions you want here. You're acting like the governments want to go into lockdown down and are just looking for any excuse.

For me an adult conversation would include aggressive shielding of vulnerable people to try and avoid the need to an indefinite lockdown which is what the language suggests this is. Clearly, any shielding would need to last only until each individual had been vaccinated with their second dose. For literally thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands by now, that would constitute less than 4 weeks. And the number would be decreasing all the time. It would also include an acknowledgement that it is not reasonable or practical to continue obsessing over case numbers, and once hospitals can be reasonably assumed to have been protected sufficiently (data modellers can easily put a number on this i'd imagine) , people in lower risk groups will have to make their own decisions about what exposure levels they will accept whilst they wait on their turn to be vaccinated.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

8 minutes ago, hk blues said:

None of that changes the fact that people in a certain position are held against a higher standard than the rest of us.  Rightly so in my opinion. 

Again I will say her mistake is hardly heinous but it is newsworthy.  

In what way?

"Senior Politician is fallible"?

How is that newsworthy?

Cummings - newsworthy.

Johnson Senior - newsworthy.

Rita Ora - newsworthy.

Various EPL footballers - newsworthy.

To put Sturgeon's lapse in the same category as this collection of cúnts who thought rules didn't apply to them is frankly ridiculous, and anyone trying to draw any kind of equivalence is either a moron or has an agenda which conveniently ignores nuance for a monochrome view in the manner of the "footballisation" of politics.

[Homer Thompson]

For me an adult conversation would include aggressive shielding of vulnerable people to try and avoid the need to an indefinite lockdown which is what the language suggests this is. Clearly, any shielding would need to last only until each individual had been vaccinated with their second dose. For literally thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands by now, that would constitute less than 4 weeks. And the number would be decreasing all the time. It would also include an acknowledgement that it is not reasonable or practical to continue obsessing over case numbers, and once hospitals can be reasonably assumed to have been protected sufficiently (data modellers can easily put a number on this i'd imagine) , people in lower risk groups will have to make their own decisions about what exposure levels they will accept whilst they wait on their turn to be vaccinated.

A very reasonable and adult conversation. One which I imagine has been had between the scientists, advisors and the gov already.

Guess we're just going into lockdown for shits and giggles