Bairnardo Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: Depends on how you define 'extra'. I think they are some worthwhile things to know. I see it as like saving for a house deposit. You can go on expensive holidays for a few years and accept that you need to keep paying someone else's mortgage with your rent for short-term enjoyment, or you can take the hit on having shite holidays for a bit to get to the point of having a deposit and getting on with your own financial life faster. If we get this year wrong, restrictions will be with us for longer. Nobody wants that, surely. I can see the logic here. But I think this being the attitude of government would represent an under appreciation of the damage being done to people by the measures. I think (with the limitations of not being an epidemiologist) we need to get to the point where we can bet with educated confidence on the fact that although loosening will result in cases, cases are inevitable and we dont belive hospitals will see too much impact. That's a personal idea of where our risk tolerance should be at I also think that there people advising the government who will be saying that actually, there should be no reliance on the vaccine as a barrier and that we need to drive case loads low and keep them there, with the use of restrictions. I just hope the government have the stomach to tell the latter, who are basically idealists, to bolt. But have little confidence in this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Paco said: . Holidays and travel... I’d probably have expected to happen but the mood music appears to be turning there. Not the worst thing if it means normal life can return here. I can make my peace with it. said enough times, live life safely like it's 2019 at home with almost zero foreign travel. most people would bite your hand off right now. after a year they would get pissed off that they cant go to Tenerife , but if Tenerife has 24/7 mask wearing , curfews and bars and clubs closed then they wouldn't want to go anyway -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 46 minutes ago, Tynierose said: Over 80s should all be vaccinated in FV by end of January - 1st dose. I'd have stuck teachers at top of list also mind you. Is vaccinated the term for one or two doses? I have a feeling it will become confusing if it's one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Anyone want to place a bet on the number of jabs delivered in today's briefing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, 101 said: Is vaccinated the term for one or two doses? I have a feeling it will become confusing if it's one. Oh no just the one dose, that seems to be the way ahead for now. Can see the logic if 90pct effective 1st jab and only a 5pct increase 2nd so get as many 1st jabs done as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Tynierose said: Oh no just the one dose, that seems to be the way ahead for now. Can see the logic if 90pct effective 1st jab and only a 5pct increase 2nd so get as many 1st jabs done as possible. That makes sense maybe those who have had both doses can be called "Maxinated"? 90% in one does makes me question the sense on getting folk back for the second does so soon, from my non medical view I would think get everyone done and then start again. Maybe give NHS staff both doses or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, renton said: Anyone want to place a bet on the number of jabs delivered in today's briefing? It will be more than yesterday's 12k but not by much. I'll go 15k. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I also think that there people advising the government who will be saying that actually, there should be no reliance on the vaccine as a barrier and that we need to drive case loads low and keep them there, with the use of restrictions. I just hope the government have the stomach to tell the latter, who are basically idealists, to bolt. But have little confidence in this. I don't doubt there will be some, but I think any such advice will be told to bolt on the grounds of the economy. I don't see that becoming a mainstream view we need to worry about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: said enough times, live life safely like it's 2019 at home with almost zero foreign travel. most people would bite your hand off right now. after a year they would get pissed off that they cant go to Tenerife , but if Tenerife has 24/7 mask wearing , curfews and bars and clubs closed then they wouldn't want to go anyway Yup, I've essentially privately written off any sort of significant foreign travel until at least 2022, probably 2023 and I'm quite comfortable with that if it means we can live our normal lives in this country as that is the very top priority. I certainly don't enjoy the idea of never getting abroad again, though. I don't think people can be blamed for being upset at this prospect. Edited January 13, 2021 by djchapsticks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, 101 said: Is vaccinated the term for one or two doses? I have a feeling it will become confusing if it's one. Apparently 90% of the efficacy is there after one dose. So not sure what the figures will count. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: It will be more than yesterday's 12k but not by much. I'll go 15k. But everything is fine and we'll be well on track. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: I don't doubt there will be some, but I think any such advice will be told to bolt on the grounds of the economy. I don't see that becoming a mainstream view we need to worry about. I hope so, but again to mention the form guide, the people who have dropped hints that subsequently came to pass are often the ones saying differently. Youl have to forgive me, after months of this shit, for wanting to see and hear some more positive language from those elected to lead us before making any assumptions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amidst-tundra Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Yup, I've essentially privately written off any sort of significant foreign travel until at least 2022, probably 2023 and I'm quite comfortable with that if it means we can live our normal lives in this country as that is the very top priority. I certainly don't enjoy the idea of never getting abroad again, though. I don't think people can be blamed for being upset at this prospect. Zero foreign travel is however impossible. I work in the merchant navy, I was stuck on a ship for five months in the first lockdown, some guys on other ships were on for almost 18 months in some cases. These are the guys keeping commerce and trade going and they can't be expected to stay on the ship forever, especially when there is no shore leave. With the way modern schedules work, when you're working or on standby seven days a week burnout becomes extremely dangerous. 90% of all world trade is carried on ships. I don't believe people should be going abroad for holiday but then this also creates the problem that no punters, no flights. No flights, I'm not sure how sailors and other such workers can be repatriated. I know airlines are not going to be doing the maritime sector any favours, it was like pulling teeth trying to see controlled repatriation recommence in summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, renton said: Anyone want to place a bet on the number of jabs delivered in today's briefing? If they want to hit their target they will need to have completed around 25,000 yesterday. Of course, our journalists will be aware of this and will highlight this if they fell well short... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Whilst you might be right in that this is how it turns out, it should be acceptable to no one and met with French style, car burning protests, general strikes etc. It wont, but as soon as hospital numbers show positive effects of the vaccine, life should be battering on towards normal. Holidays etc might be subject to restriction for longer. That might be an inevitability but the idea that folk should accept life in Scotland under restriction indefinitely is shite and should me met with pure disdain and mass rule breaking until the message is received. It remains to be seen what the effects of the vaccine are on hospitalizations and deaths. It they reduce to last summer's rates then no doubt restrictions will be released but we simply don't know if that will be the case or how long that will take. There is bound to be a big reduction come the warmer weather regardless as that's what happened last year. It's what happens next autumn and winter that will dictate where life is heading longer term. We simply don't know enough about the effects on a yearly cycle these vaccines will have to be demanding civil unrest etc. The only answer is we need to wait and see the effect the vaccines have before spouting stuff like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I also think that there people advising the government who will be saying that actually, there should be no reliance on the vaccine as a barrier and that we need to drive case loads low and keep them there, with the use of restrictions. I just hope the government have the stomach to tell the latter, who are basically idealists, to bolt. But have little confidence in this. Scientists have the ear of the government at the moment, and they have no interest in economics, families, mental health, physical health, job security, education or any of the other million things that make life go round normally. If scientists had their way we would all be boarded into our houses for the next 6 months with absolutely access to the outside world. Then they could say that statistically we were covid free. It's up to the government if they use scientists to dictate policy, or if they use them as part of a common sense approach which takes into account the wider aspects mentioned above. At the moment, it seems to be the former. Let us hope that as the months go on, the common sense approach is used more and more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 My work had its first positive case today. Farewell everyone, it's been emotional. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 If they want to hit their target they will need to have completed around 25,000 yesterday. Of course, our journalists will be aware of this and will highlight this if they fell well short...They could do zero jags yesterday and still hit their target. You do realise how targets work ??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said: Scientists have the ear of the government at the moment, and they have no interest in economics, families, mental health, physical health, job security, education or any of the other million things that make life go round normally. If scientists had their way we would all be boarded into our houses for the next 6 months with absolutely access to the outside world. Then they could say that statistically we were covid free. It's up to the government if they use scientists to dictate policy, or if they use them as part of a common sense approach which takes into account the wider aspects mentioned above. At the moment, it seems to be the former. Let us hope that as the months go on, the common sense approach is used more and more. Yes, scientists have basically been given the exam question 'how do we stop this virus?' and the response is inevitably for no one to ever see each other/come into contact. Ever. I think it's fair enough when hospitals are close to absolute capacity that the scientists view is given more weighting when it comes to decision making but as that pressure eases they will need to take far more of a back seat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, amidst-tundra said: Zero foreign travel is however impossible. I work in the merchant navy, I was stuck on a ship for five months in the first lockdown, some guys on other ships were on for almost 18 months in some cases. These are the guys keeping commerce and trade going and they can't be expected to stay on the ship forever, especially when there is no shore leave. With the way modern schedules work, when you're working or on standby seven days a week burnout becomes extremely dangerous. 90% of all world trade is carried on ships. I don't believe people should be going abroad for holiday but then this also creates the problem that no punters, no flights. No flights, I'm not sure how sailors and other such workers can be repatriated. I know airlines are not going to be doing the maritime sector any favours, it was like pulling teeth trying to see controlled repatriation recommence in summer. Currently? Agreed. I work in a very multicultural environment and I see fellow workers who have family in Mexico, USA, all over Europe and the Middle East who are struggling with not being allowed to go and see family on their terms. There is always going to be a market for foreign travel and holidays though, that is not going to go away at the other end of this pandemic. My post was in agreement with the previous poster who said people will accept a year or two of foreign travel being pretty much off the table but will start to ask questions afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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