mizfit Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 What's the point . No one knows and no one in authority will speculate for fear of being jumped upon if it doesn't come to pass as is perfectly illustrated over the proceeding couple if pages.Given the cancellations this week it was yet another stupid question. These events clearly are not happening as the organisers of Glastonbury etc have clearly demonstrated. I’ve a feeling most organisers were waiting for the first cancelled event before the floodgates opened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, eez-eh said: Welsh FM said that it’s to stop them from giving out loads of jags only to then be left with not enough. It’s a batshit mental approach. That is because Drakeford is batshit mental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Snafu said: Seems a realistic take. Of course it is. There are 4 other human coronaviruses still around from over 100 years ago. No reason to expect this one to not join them. It's why "zero covid" fantasists need sidelined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Correct. And as they haven't said anything about that in the 9 days since publishing that document, we can assume that not only were the figures accurate at the time, they are still accurate now. RD mentioned the SG recieving over 700k doses already just the other day, and NS did not refute this. Regardless of the unknown quantity the 1m target was pulled from, the supply, as per that table, is on track. Scotland will have recieved over 1.2m doses by the end of January. More than enough to administer 1m. The SG simply weren't sufficiently prepared. So the plan is to vaccinate with first dose somewhere between 1.1 and 1.2 million by middle of February. Is the argument then that the two weeks difference between using 1.2 million doses by January 31st and doing so by February 14th somehow critical? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: They appear to be under the impression Pfizer supply is about to dry up and openly (wrongly in most folks eyes mine included) decided on the back of that info to "eek out" what they had rather than proceed as planned then have the vaccinators sitting doing nothing. Totally different scenario it was their announced policy Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, renton said: So the plan is to vaccinate with first dose somewhere between 1.1 and 1.2 million by middle of February. Is the argument then that the two weeks difference between using 1.2 million doses by January 31st and doing so by February 14th somehow critical? It's not that it's critical. But when you have a government preaching for 10 months not to do x, y and z to save lives, and standing at the podium each day chastising anyone who broke their rules, it's fair to point out that them going slower than they could do will literally cost lives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, eez-eh said: 95% of care home residents jagged, 80% of care home staff. Surely to f**k the pace should be picking up now in line with the rest of the U.K? No excuses now. Based on the data here, the daily rate of vaccination in Scotland right now is roughly the same as in England (on a per capita basis). Hopefully this will see our pace pick up beyond theirs now given that we have done what are supposed to be the most difficult ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: What's the point . No one knows and no one in authority will speculate for fear of being jumped upon if it doesn't come to pass as is perfectly illustrated over the proceeding couple if pages. Given the cancellations this week it was yet another stupid question. These events clearly are not happening as the organisers of Glastonbury etc have clearly demonstrated. I think after approaching a year, and three (hopefully soon to be four) vaccines on the go, people could do with some hope and optimism in life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 More shite - apparently this was always going to be the case to be locked down until summer. It's fucking January. We were told that opening for 5 days over Xmas would 'lead to 4 weeks lockdown' and now apparently that was reduced to 1 day opening which is leading to around 5-6 months. Once the NHS is no longer at critical levels, this chatter needs to get in the fucking bin. These 'zero covid at all costs' fuckers should not be given airtime. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I’ve a feeling most organisers were waiting for the first cancelled event before the floodgates opened.I'm no expert, in fact I know nothing about how big events are planned and how they are insured but I'm wondering if there is an issue at the moment securing any kind of insurance for cancellations due to Covid. You would imagine insurance companies wouldn't be touching them with a barge pole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It's not that it's critical. But when you have a government preaching for 10 months not to do x, y and z to save lives, and standing at the podium each day chastising anyone who broke their rules, it's fair to point out that them going slower than they could do will literally cost lives. But you'd also agree that the supply chain would demand that stock arriving to Scotland would have to precede vaccinations in Scotland by at least a minimum of the time required to get it from a warehouse into the hands of a vaccinator, right? So our unexplained delay between having 1.2 million shots and using 1.2 million shots is now less than two weeks, right? Edited January 22, 2021 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 13/01/2021 at 13:09, Marshmallo said: Chuckling to myself at the thought I'll be sitting at this desk in my living room in October 2021 having never been more than 5 miles from my flat while the usual suspects continue to post "but supply" Well said kid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 22/01/2020 at 15:36, BillyAnchor said: Leeches are the answer Quote of the day from day 1 of this thread Who knew a Leitch would have so much control of our lives one year on. Happy Birthday to the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: More shite - apparently this was always going to be the case to be locked down until summer. It's fucking January. We were told that opening for 5 days over Xmas would 'lead to 4 weeks lockdown' and now apparently that was reduced to 1 day opening which is leading to around 5-6 months. Once the NHS is no longer at critical levels, this chatter needs to get in the fucking bin. These 'zero covid at all costs' fuckers should not be given airtime. Yep. The big difference between this lockdown and the first is the presence of a vaccine. Yet somehow, this one feels like its gearing up to last a lot longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Steven W said: Yep. The big difference between this lockdown and the first is the presence of a vaccine. Yet somehow, this one feels like its gearing up to last a lot longer. Heads should be on pikes for any suggestions longer than 2 week rolling reviews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: Yep. The big difference between this lockdown and the first is the presence of a vaccine. Yet somehow, this one feels like its gearing up to last a lot longer. They are spooked by the supposedly increased R of the B117 variant. Really depends on how much increased transmission there actually is... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Snafu said: Yep! agree I'm sure there's an overly dedicated amateur specialist out there that has put together a family trees for the different viruses. Are zero covid fantasists really that relevant in the grand scheme of things? They won't decide or think for us the population of this country what is an acceptable level when it comes to new infections and deaths. Yes when one of them in particular, Devi Sridhar, has NS's ear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 18 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: More shite - apparently this was always going to be the case to be locked down until summer. It's fucking January. We were told that opening for 5 days over Xmas would 'lead to 4 weeks lockdown' and now apparently that was reduced to 1 day opening which is leading to around 5-6 months. Once the NHS is no longer at critical levels, this chatter needs to get in the fucking bin. These 'zero covid at all costs' fuckers should not be given airtime. Early studies in Israel suggest transmission IS reduced by 33% after 14 days for the Pfizer vaccine. Small sample size of course. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Marshmallo said: Early studies in Israel suggest transmission IS reduced by 33% after 14 days for the Pfizer vaccine. Small sample size of course. One dose or two? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: More shite - apparently this was always going to be the case to be locked down until summer. It's fucking January. We were told that opening for 5 days over Xmas would 'lead to 4 weeks lockdown' and now apparently that was reduced to 1 day opening which is leading to around 5-6 months. Once the NHS is no longer at critical levels, this chatter needs to get in the fucking bin. These 'zero covid at all costs' fuckers should not be given airtime. The way the arse fell out of the numbers last Spring clearly caught, at least the SG, by surprise. With the fact that we already have a vaccine, and are in lockdown already, there's no reason to suspect them to do the same this year. They are, afterall, already going down. Edited January 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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