Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[10menwent2mow]

Rough maths say that to do everyone over 65 by the 'beginning of march' would require approx 1m vaccinations by then. Let's call the beginning of March say the 4th/5th. That's 40 days to do 1m vaccinations, only 25,000 a day if done 7 days a week. ScotGov is aiming to have capacity to do 400,000 a week by late Feb, so they should hit that target easily.

If they have the vaccines delivered and have the capacity to be doing 400,000 per week, I struggle to see how it will take until Autumn to get the whole population done. At 400,000 a week we could give every man woman and child a first dose in 10 weeks from the beginning of March. Even at 200,000 a week it would only take until the end of July to get a first dose in everyone. Get it done on an industrial scale, none of this sitting and yapping to folk either when doing it, in, jab, oot, next please, get it like a fucking production line.

[MP_MFC]

 I'm certain they are choosing to stretch the definition of ventilation. Rather than your question are there situations when you can be on a ventilator but not in ICU there are in fact many examples of patients being in ICU but not on a ventilator. 
Even in simplistic terms of the 4076 UK patients in ICU with Covid today there will be quite a number who have improved enough to come off ventilation and be awaiting discharge to a ward. Don't get me wrong the 4000+ patients in ICU is an awful figure but at best it's simplistic journalism to say they are all on ventilators and at worst it's deliberately sensationalist. In other words typical UK mainstream journalism.

In the slides at the old daily briefings from down south the one with hospital info always referred to 'beds capable of mechanical ventilation' as opposed to people actually on a ventilator and given that it is now less likely for them to immediately put icu folk on ventilation due to treatment I would assume that is what they mean now too.

If it's not, and it's actually people on full in ventilation then this new strain is worse and we're more fucked by it than it seems.

[welshbairn]

46 minutes ago, Steven W said:

I must adopt this approach the next time I'm involved in building a block of flats.

"We'll do it as quickly as we can, but I don't when it'll be finished". 

Every industry in the land works to programmes and deadlines and there's no good reason why the vaccination process should be any different.

In this case you'd be waiting for new forms of concrete and steel to be approved and produced, so you wouldn't know for sure.

[AyrExile]

12 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Rough maths say that to do everyone over 65 by the 'beginning of march' would require approx 1m vaccinations by then. Let's call the beginning of March say the 4th/5th. That's 40 days to do 1m vaccinations, only 25,000 a day if done 7 days a week. ScotGov is aiming to have capacity to do 400,000 a week by late Feb, so they should hit that target easily.

If they have the vaccines delivered and have the capacity to be doing 400,000 per week, I struggle to see how it will take until Autumn to get the whole population done. At 400,000 a week we could give every man woman and child a first dose in 10 weeks from the beginning of March. Even at 200,000 a week it would only take until the end of July to get a first dose in everyone. Get it done on an industrial scale, none of this sitting and yapping to folk either when doing it, in, jab, oot, next please, get it like a fucking production line.

I think in the future vaccine supply could be an issue as more countries approve and start their own rollouts. Don’t think it’s an issue currently though and we should be using our full allocations when we get them 

[Steven W]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

In this case you'd be waiting for new forms of concrete and steel to be approved and produced, so you wouldn't know for sure.

Good grief.

[Elric]

48 minutes ago, Steven W said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55781951

Blue envelopes. Now we're ramping up!!

My mother-in-law who is 95 will be ecstatic - she has not been vaccinated and has had no word of when it will happen. It does not matter who you contact in the FV area no one can give an answer or a suggestion of who to phone.

[Steven W]

1 minute ago, Elric said:

My mother-in-law who is 95 will be ecstatic - she has not been vaccinated and has had no word of when it will happen. It does not matter who you contact in the FV area no one can give an answer or a suggestion of who to phone.

Good stuff.

Who knew that the colour of the envelope would be the catalyst to getting the vaccination programme motoring.

[Paco]

Rough maths say that to do everyone over 65 by the 'beginning of march' would require approx 1m vaccinations by then. Let's call the beginning of March say the 4th/5th. That's 40 days to do 1m vaccinations, only 25,000 a day if done 7 days a week. ScotGov is aiming to have capacity to do 400,000 a week by late Feb, so they should hit that target easily.

If they have the vaccines delivered and have the capacity to be doing 400,000 per week, I struggle to see how it will take until Autumn to get the whole population done. At 400,000 a week we could give every man woman and child a first dose in 10 weeks from the beginning of March. Even at 200,000 a week it would only take until the end of July to get a first dose in everyone. Get it done on an industrial scale, none of this sitting and yapping to folk either when doing it, in, jab, oot, next please, get it like a fucking production line.

You are forgetting two very important things - vaccine supply, where we weren’t projected to receive 400k a week, even before Pfizer and AZ started backing out of their schedules.

But even more importantly, you’ve forgotten the pesky matter of second doses. Everyone who’s received dose 1 by the start of March will need another one by the start of June. That’s why it’ll be into autumn before we get into the rest of the population, assuming nobody else starts supplying beforehand (I have high hopes for J&J’s single doser).

[Fullerene]

37 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Good stuff.

Who knew that the colour of the envelope would be the catalyst to getting the vaccination programme motoring.

Finally agreeing on the colour of the envelope was what helped.

[Jacksgranda]

16 hours ago, Scosha said:

Another pathetic daily vaccine figure.. who’s fault is it today? 

I'll blame the schools...

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

Finally agreeing on the colour of the envelope was what helped.

Might be marginal but makes sense, helps the PO prioritise them and likely to stop them getting mistakenly recycled or forgotten about amidst the junk mail.

Edited January 24, 2021 by welshbairn

[Aufc]

Wonder if this shambles from the SG will have any impact on the election this year

[welshbairn]

15 hours ago, D.A.F.C said:

Would it not be an idea to use massive distribution companies like Amazon to roll out vaccine supply?

It’s happening in America and I’m sure companies over here could help out. How is it getting distributed at the moment?

You scratch our back and we'll scratch yours.

 

[bendan]

9 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Easy when you weld people into their houses.

It's amazing how these confirmation-bias interpretations become established facts.

[craigkillie]

Wonder if this shambles from the SG will have any impact on the election this year

They could have vaccinated nobody and would still win.

[Marshmallo]

Wee Nipola Sturkrankie saying we will give all of the top 4 most vulnerable groups their first dose by mid February.

How many people would that be?

[Wee Bully]

Wee Nipola Sturkrankie saying we will give all of the top 4 most vulnerable groups their first dose by mid February.
How many people would that be?

Cringe

[Sergeant Wilson]

10 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

If ever a picture shows how much we fcked it, it's this one. No social distancing, no masks, an indoors music event, no vaccine needed to get out of it. Yet even with a vaccine we're being told to write off events in 2021. Scunnering 

Off you pop then.

[Todd_is_God]

20 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

all of the top 4 most vulnerable groups their first dose by mid February.

How many people would that be?

1.1m, of which we have 755k to go.

Mid February is 22 days away. So we need to do 34.3k each day from today, with that number rising each day we don't do 34.3k.

[Steven W]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

1.1m, of which we have 755k to go.

Mid February is 22 days away. So we need to do 34.3k each day from today, with that number rising each day we don't do 34.3k.

Aye, but you're no factoring in the blue envelopes.