Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, stumigoo said: We were told to empty the building at every break and every lunch. Kids could get food at those times from the canteen but they had to pre-order in the morning and then as soon as they got their food they had to leave. This was for both the internal cleaning of the building each lunch hour and to minimise the number of people in an enclosed space at a time of incredibly high traffic. Yeh but they have massive playgrounds and sports pitches. They could collect their order and head out to those? Stagger the times? CFE is about citizenship etc too, surely encouraging that should be a big focus right now, certainly can only speak for the school I see a lot and its not great, dont even see the teachers about the gates or whatever they did when I was back at school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 The procedures that schools have had to enforce do next to nothing to stop the spread of the virus anyway. It does not matter if they're wearing a mask in the corridors when 20-30 people are sitting in a selection of rooms together all week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Yeh but they have massive playgrounds and sports pitches. They could collect their order and head out to those? Stagger the times? CFE is about citizenship etc too, surely encouraging that should be a big focus right now, certainly can only speak for the school I see a lot and its not great, dont even see the teachers about the gates or whatever they did when I was back at school. It’s difficult, each school will be different depending on their location. We are lucky as we can stagger and we do have enough around the school for pupils to go out. However, and I’m just playing devils advocate, we do have a number of smaller businesses who I know we’re absolutely desperate for the kids to be back as they make up such a huge percentage of their business. I also know that for some, the moment the pupils returned in August they completely pulled back from any distancing, masks etc in their own shops, because they were so desperate for the additional revenue, which I can sympathise with.It’s an incredibly difficult thing to manage (especially when it involves a thousand teenagers). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, virginton said: The procedures that schools have had to enforce do next to nothing to stop the spread of the virus anyway. It does not matter if they're wearing a mask in the corridors when 20-30 people are sitting in a selection of rooms together all week. That may be true but we have to get normality eventually and we know that the virus is going to be around with us for a good while yet. With the vaccines protecting the most at risk and the seasonality figures on the positive cases that look like they are going down, we should look to open up education slowly and it looks like we are starting to with the primary 1 to 3's and older kids with practical lessons rumoured to be the first I for one am fed up with the restrictions and look forward to getting my life back but it needs to start somewhere and I don't know what steps you take first apart from education? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 45 minutes ago, The Stig said: I understand what you are saying but short of falling every pupil around there is not much that can be done. The school canteens are not big enough to house all pupils at once and to stagger all years in to smaller groups would probably need 2 - 3 hours. Sorry to get everyone's back up just wanted to defend the schools procedures as we done everything we could. Literally no-one is criticising any school's procedures. The fact remains that a large number of teenagers are not good at following instructions, either consciously or unconsciously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, TheScarf said: Are we any closer to getting a route map? I’m guessing not with Leitch having Sturgeon’s ear. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/13/picnics-coffee-park-lockdown-lift-march-8-government-confirms/ It seems that Westminster are preparing to publish the basics of a route map out of this shit. The Tories are undoubtedly more animated because a significant number of their MPs disagree with any restrictions at all. In Scotland, as you say, the likes of Leitch seems to be governing when it comes to Covid. If England starts to lift restrictions though, the SG will come under huge pressure especially as our cases are less than England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: Nobody was, they were pointing out that regardless of the procedures put in place, teenage pupils will not follow them and it makes the environment blatantly unsafe. Thought that was a teenagers role in life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/13/picnics-coffee-park-lockdown-lift-march-8-government-confirms/ It seems that Westminster are preparing to publish the basics of a route map out of this shit. The Tories are undoubtedly more animated because a significant number of their MPs disagree with any restrictions at all. In Scotland, as you say, the likes of Leitch seems to be governing when it comes to Covid. If England starts to lift restrictions though, the SG will come under huge pressure especially as our cases are less than England. You do know that Scotland has some pupils going back to school a fortnight before England? Literally the only concrete measure, and it seems to be completely ignored. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, The Stig said: I understand what you are saying but short of falling every pupil around there is not much that can be done. The school canteens are not big enough to house all pupils at once and to stagger all years in to smaller groups would probably need 2 - 3 hours. Sorry to get everyone's back up just wanted to defend the schools procedures as we done everything we could. Your school and pupils might. Not everyone does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, The Stig said: That may be true but we have to get normality eventually and we know that the virus is going to be around with us for a good while yet. With the vaccines protecting the most at risk and the seasonality figures on the positive cases that look like they are going down, we should look to open up education slowly and it looks like we are starting to with the primary 1 to 3's and older kids with practical lessons rumoured to be the first It won't be getting fully opened up anytime soon if 2 metre distancing is applied as there isn't the required space. Had the governments across the UK not tried to wave away this fact to get full-time classroom teaching underway as promised in autumn then we wouldn't have had the utter mess to deal with over the past six months. Quote I for one am fed up with the restrictions and look forward to getting my life back but it needs to start somewhere and I don't know what steps you take first apart from education? A: Ones that don't ramp up the R rate to near 1, and so place otherwise needless restrictions on every other part of society for weeks/months on end. Just because politicians and a plurality of the UK public want to prioritise classroom schooling does not mean that it is sensible to do so. If we can open up sectors of the economy that have a far lower impact than schools instead, while further suppressing cases, then that's the best of both worlds. Once there's no widespread community transmission (level 2 and lower under the autumn tier system in Scotland), then you can open schools with much less impact. Anything else is putting the cart before the horse. Edited February 13, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, virginton said: Ones that don't ramp up the R rate to near 1, and so place otherwise needless restrictions on every other part of society for weeks/months on end. I put a question mark at the end to start a discussion. What do you think should be opened up first that won't cause this "ramp up" to happen without any risks? Nothing in life is risk free and we have to start somewhere and that is where the 2 governments seems to be hanging their hat on to. I am not trying to sound pissy I genuinely want to know what people believe the sequence of opening up of everything should be? Edited February 13, 2021 by The Stig 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Scotland is doing a fantastic job of rolling out the vaccine. The numerous Boris fanboys on here will be raging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, The Stig said: I put a question mark at the end to start a discussion. What do you think should be opened up first that won't cause this "ramp up" to happen without any risks? Nothing in life is risk free and we have to start somewhere and that is where the 2 governments seems to be hanging their hat on to. I am not trying to sound pissy I genuinely want to know what people believe the sequence of opening up of everything should be? Non-essential retail and services (barbers, gyms) could be re-opened tomorrow without causing a plateau in cases from here until the summer. Some people might say 'aye but the weans are more important than those sectors", but that's not actually decisive when dealing with a public health problem. Restrictions should be removed in order to produce the widest societal benefit while also ensuring that the downward momentum can be sustained, so that all restrictions can be launched into the bin by the soonest possible date. That is the rational rather than politically-driven criteria for decision-making in this scenario. Edited February 13, 2021 by vikingTON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Well I’m not a teacher or a peadophile so I don’t tend to spend much time in schools. My best mate’s wife is a secondary school teacher so I’ll take what she told me as fact.I felt in December that it was a real battle with some pupils - constantly having to remind them to pull their masks up - to stay on their own seat - the worst offenders were senior pupils. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 What your mates wife told you the kids in the coop where not wearing masks as there was no in school example given. My school (is) was masks on at all times when moving in the building and S4 - S6 with masks on in class and it was observed impeccably Can I teach in your school? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: You do know that Scotland has some pupils going back to school a fortnight before England? Literally the only concrete measure, and it seems to be completely ignored. Nothing concrete about it at all. To be confirmed on Tuesday. And if Leitch's hint yesterday and the front page of one paper today is anything to go by, it may even be withdrawn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, virginton said: Non-essential retail and services (barbers, gyms) could be re-opened tomorrow without causing a plateau in cases from here until the summer. Some people might say 'aye but the weans are more important than those sectors", but that's not actually decisive when dealing with a public health problem. Restrictions should be removed in order to produce the widest societal benefit while also ensuring that the downward momentum can be sustained, so that all restrictions can be launched into the bin by the soonest possible date. That is the rational rather than politically-driven criteria for decision-making in this scenario. I know your opinion is that schools are some sort of glorified childcare but it does beg the question if you open up those sectors what happens to the kids of the workers? The answer will be that they will be placed with their grandparents which is not ideal in a public health emergency or do you keep the workers with children on furlough and f**k up the countries economy some more? Edited February 13, 2021 by The Stig 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 The grandparents will however have been vaccinated in most cases. School kids will be the last to be vaccinated and that's correct based on risk. But come autumn schools will be the only setting with hundreds of unvaccinated people mixing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 hours ago, specsaver said: I'm not convinced by some of the West Coast based panel's but fortunately haven't had any Dundee based judges as I never enjoyed having to travel out of Fife to Dundee as I always seemed do poorly. Think I had better success with written submission only, maybe they didn't like the look of me! Then again I should remember not to get too dressed up! Dundee panels are horrific 8 times out of 10, so bad in fact that tactical adjournments are sometimes a necessity when you hear who you've got simply because you know you're not going to win. There are a couple of medical and disability members who are quite frankly disgraceful as well. I've never had much success with paper hearings, unless the medical evidence is totally solid, but we are seeing quite a few lapses - I believe PIP are being a bit more reasonable with the advent of the Scottish disability benefits in the next couple of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The Stig said: I know your opinion is that schools are some sort of glorified childcare but it does beg the question if you open up those sectors what happens to the kids of the workers? The answer will be that they will be placed with their grandparents which is not ideal in a public health emergency or do you keep the workers with children on furlough and f**k up the countries economy some more? Having some parents remaining on furlough is far less of a cost than closing entire sectors of the economy and furloughing everyone plus business support. And by maintaining the reduction in transmission the economy opens up more quickly as a whole, which is another massive plus in the cost-benefit analysis. It's also contradictory for you to suddenly express mock concern about children (no longer mixing with 20-odd others all week long) interacting with grandparents because schools are closed, when your previous argument was that, erm, the old and vulnerable are already getting jabbed so it's time to 'get back to normal' and let the infections rip! Make your mind up please. Edited February 13, 2021 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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