Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Ron Aldo]

Whit, it's a citizens assembly ffs, they cannot and will not "get their way"

Folk really are starting to lose all perspective here within this echo chamber.

At no point in my post did I suggest their viewpoints would be given any sort of weight, hence the use of the word "IF".

I think you need to calm down a wee bit. It's not even lunch time.

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

The above, if possible, wouldn't eradicate Covid or similar in a venue but it would reduce it significantly. 

Following the completion of the vaccine programme, who cares?

[Michael W]

Given that the governing party is going to get a majority unless Murray Walker turns up and announces nothing can stop them now, not sure how the election will shake up the SG. 

Freeman will thankfully be gone, but other than that? Nada. 

[Steven W]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

I don't think it will shake up anything, as it's unlikely that there will be less SNP members, and the opposition have been no challenge to the strategy at all to date. Unlike down south, there does not appear to be any MSPs, and certainly not and representatives of the governing party, who disagree with the strategy..

I bet there is. There must be surely? I just don't think they're allowed to speak up

[ayrmad]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Following the completion of the vaccine programme, who cares?

That will be fine if you're the one making the decisions, have you been at the lectern yet? 

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, Elixir said:

I do wonder at what stage it will be looked back on that torching society because of what the Chinese did, along with blind panic, was in fact the worst policy disaster of the 21st century. Rather than simply accepting there would be trade-offs, that some vulnerable people would unfortunately die, and following pandemic mitigation measures that had been in planning every year prior.

Never. The Ferguson model is seen as gospel, and no one that matters is willing to be open to the prospect that the lockdowns etc had almost zero impact on the course of the pandemic.

[DiegoDiego]

Very much doubt any of the 19 were furloughed single parents trying to make ends meet on a % of the minimum wage.

Minimum wage gets a decent increase in April. Furlough lasts until at least the start of May, does it not? I imagine there'll be a fair chunk of folk who see their colleagues get a nice pay rise while their income remains the same.

[Steven W]

12 minutes ago, Rugster said:

You keep going on about the number of cases yesterday but are ignoring the low positivity rate which has already been mentioned. 5.1% 

Until such a time as NS decrees case numbers as irrelevant (which should happen at some stage), then case numbers on their own will still carry weight.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, ayrmad said:

That will be fine if you're the one making the decisions, have you been at the lectern yet? 

Aye, i'm up tomorrow. My recommendations are that we find you a nice padded cell so you can be 100% safe.

[Detournement]

10 minutes ago, Elixir said:

 

I'd also suggest that the infection curve is why the UK and Scottish Governments are so determined to carry on with restrictions until July so they can be seen to be lowering rates rather than it being a natural season cycle. That's why Sturgeon is now determined to test non symptomatic people to maintain restrictions on the East coast where Covid will be a non factor in about 6 weeks. 

Then if it ticks up again in October/November we will be right back into necessary restrictions. 

Edited February 18, 2021 by Detournement

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8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I don't think it will shake up anything, as it's unlikely that there will be less SNP members, and the opposition have been no challenge to the strategy at all to date. Unlike down south, there does not appear to be any MSPs, and certainly not and representatives of the governing party, who disagree with the strategy.

You could say that is largely influenced by trying not to rock the boat and turn people off potentially voting for you, but at the same time there's little point in sitting on your hands at party level until after an election where you might pick up some swing voters who are looking for a different approach.

Other than the extremely unlikely scenario of a Conservative victory, I cannot see the SG elections making any difference to the covid strategy.

Sorry, I just meant the churn in members of the Government 5 senior members are out most notably the health sec so hopefully there are some people coming in that are a bit more fresh to this.

[Billy Jean King]

What's the point of them then?

They were an election pledge about 3 back. They are Holyroods equivalent of the community council. A box ticking exercise to let the do gooders and busy bodies within Society think they are getting heard. The reaction in here is massively OTT, it's the equivalent of a show of hands in a question time audience ffs.

If Devi or Leitch hadn't been involved it would have passed unnoticed. They really are inside some folks head 24/7. People seem to be actively seeking out their every utterance despite it reducing them to a slavering mess. They seem to be playing some folk like a fiddle. Just ignore them, why actively seek out the opinion of folk you disagree with, that seems like madness to me.

[Sergeant Wilson]

24 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Did Sandy Comarty off here not say he was part of the Citizens Assembly?

 

Dear fucking Lord!

[Billy Jean King]

At no point in my post did I suggest their viewpoints would be given any sort of weight, hence the use of the word "IF".

I think you need to calm down a wee bit. It's not even lunch time.

If very much suggests they might. You clearly were not ruling it out or you wouldn't have said if.

[ayrmad]

5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Aye, i'm up tomorrow. My recommendations are that we find you a nice padded cell so you can be 100% safe.

Don't know where you're getting that from, I posted weeks ago that I favoured the "survival of the fittest approach". 

[Detournement]

Just now, Sergeant Wilson said:

Dear fucking Lord!

People would just be agreeing with Devi to get out the door. 

[Elixir]

So is the God-botherer Leitch officially endorsing a 'zero Covid' strategy? Or is he just wanting to sit on the fence? I cannot comprehend Scotland even attempting this path at this stage.

[Detournement]

Just now, Elixir said:

So is the God-botherer Leitch officially endorsing a 'zero Covid' strategy? Or is he just wanting to sit on the fence? I cannot comprehend Scotland even attempting this path at this stage.

Devi tactically abandoned the  Zero Covid ship yesterday by claiming that she just always meant suppression rather than zero cases. 

So it's definitely off the agenda. Chris Witty gave a far more realistic description of Covid as equivalent to winter flu (which has disappeared). 

 

[ayrmad]

On 01/02/2021 at 10:33, ayrmad said:

I've loved ones here that I don't see from one year to the next, I'm quite comfortable in my own company for extended periods. 

In all honesty, I'd far rather we took the survival of the fittest approach now and see how the Louisa Jordan copes. 

 

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1 minute ago, Detournement said:

So it's definitely off the agenda. Chris Witty gave a far more realistic description of Covid as equivalent to winter flu (which has disappeared). 

How does that work when we have 90% vaccine rolled out to most of society by the winter compared to 50% vaccine only given to the most vulnerable/ those who pay for it.

Surely we are in a far better place to "live with Covid" rather than flu, maybe increase hospital capacity but that should happen regardless of if Covid stays or goes.