vikingTON Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: What about people who are immune deficient and just want to get some shopping in? Would it be against your principles to give them a bit of extra room at check out if you noticed a badge? In what way would giving an immune deficient person extra room at a check out offer meaningful protection? How did they cope before March 2020? These are utterly pointless gestures . 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It absolutely is your right and I'd happily defend your entitlement to it. In fact I'll exercise a similar one in expressing the view that it suggests you're a bit of a dick. How did all these people manage before Covid? Anyone that is vulnerable would have had issues in the past with other viruses. It isn't like they have suddenly developed xeroderma pigmentosum, is it? If someone suffers from Mysophobia, should we modify our behaviours to accommodate irrationality? It is entirely on the irrational to seek to normalise their behaviour to societal norms, not the other way about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Thorongil said: I’m not in people’s faces anyway. I won’t behave any differently. My problem with such a scheme is the presumption that I should have to, that it gives dramatic types a McGuffin to use to cause friction and that it’s contrary to what should be happening which is that people should stop being scared of what is no longer a significant risk. I can’t remove risk for an immunodeficient person, and it’s not my personal responsibility to do so. It wouldn't make it so you had to give someone some extra space, just that you'd have the opportunity if you felt so inclined. Like a far easier thing than offering your seat to an old biddy on a bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 ITT: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Funny as f**k. Wee devi was a surprise January signing for the good guys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said: That's me tested positive for the 'rona'.....,must be the Omicron as I've a runny nose and a right dry cough. Aw well a week in the hoos awaits ....... I'm on Day 3. Feeling ok basically, but a bit chesty and knackered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It wouldn't make it so you had to give someone some extra space, just that you'd have the opportunity if you felt so inclined. Like a far easier thing than offering your seat to an old biddy on a bus. This is so naive. The very act of wearing one of these badges is in effect demanding someone give you extra space. What other point could there be to wearing it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: I'm on Day 3. Feeling ok basically, but a bit chesty and knackered. Glad tae hear your ok MT....... Mines is more runny nose and dry cough with an odd sneeze fae time to time. Feel reasonably healthy otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said: Glad tae hear your ok MT....... Mines is more runny nose and dry cough with an odd sneeze fae time to time. Feel reasonably healthy otherwise Well I'm looking my black tie out. I hate trying to find it at the last minute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Snafu said: Very confusing and disturbing incident in an Edinburgh Costa. Looks like staff need to be retrained on how to wear a mask properly. So is this customer correct or is this customer very entitled? I have no idea what to think since I've been conditioned by the SG not to make any decisions for my self with out a risk assessment on opinions being carried out by the Thought Police. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/west-lothian-woman-angered-over-22842831 Edinburgh Costa customer upset at server with 'mask under nose' and tied up chairs Sharon, 48, visited the Hermiston Gait location for the popular coffee chain, and ended up leaving without her purchases over the state of the store's Covid protocols. A West Lothian woman was left angered after she visited an Edinburgh Costa establishment where she claimed the coronavirus protocols implemented by the Scottish Government were not being followed. Sharon, 48, from West Lothian, was in the capital for a car-related appointment when she stopped in at the Hermiston Gait location of the Costa Coffee chain. Speaking to Edinburgh Live, Sharon said: "I popped in for a coffee and a wee pastry while I waited for the return of my car, and from the beginning the experience wasn't great. "There was no hand sanitiser at any point of the store, and although I always carry my own, I am sure it's a necessity for every store to have hygiene points as well. "I was served by a woman at the counter who asked if I was sitting in, to which I responded yes and I noticed her mask was under her nose. I left it as she was behind perspex, but I also noted that. "I then got my food and sat at a table far away from everyone, but not far from two workers who looked to be on their break. "One of the workers came over and told me as soon as I sat down, that I could not sit there due to covid rules. "I understood that and asked where else I could sit, as a lot of the chairs had been cable tied together for some reason? Like, I know there is a social distancing rule in place, but surely cable tying six or seven tables together isn't needed? "I then was approached by the person who served me, who abruptly told me all she could do was offer me a refund or put my drink into a takeaway cup. She still wasn't wearing her mask right, as were the other two workers much the same. "I asked why and she just said ' Well, it's covid, we don't have any other seating?' which I felt was ironic given the severe lack of other covid protocols. "I told her this, and she just shrugged her shoulders, and didn't move her mask an inch, so I just told her to leave it and I would take my business elsewhere. "I understand the masks can be uncomfortable and annoying, but they are there for a reason, and the lack of hand sanitiser is also worrisome. "It is just the level of inconsistency of the protocols in place in the store, and I was made to feel like an utter criminal for sitting down." In a response to Sharon's complaint she sent to the customer service team, Costa sincerely apologised, and noted that they had passed on the comments to the area manager. A Costa Coffee spokesperson said: “The safety of our customers and team members is our number one priority. "Our stores continue to operate in line with Scottish Government guidelines, including hand-sanitiser stations, enhanced cleaning processes, and implementing social distancing – which means stores may have reduced seating capacity. "We apologise for the inconvenience caused.” Anyone else think this was a cool story? The 'feel like an utter criminal' part was a nice touch of melodrama. I stopped reading at car-related appointment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Snafu said: The wearer would need to wear something on the back as well as the badge is just little and can only be seen from the front so to make people aware and to keep their distance. Just a suggestion... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It's reassuring to see there are still some good guy employers. John Lewis have this right. Those companies cutting sick pay are just trying to profit and being white knighted by some. http://BBC News - John Lewis says it is wrong to cut sick pay for unjabbed staff https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60105216 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Trogdor said: It's reassuring to see there are still some good guy employers. John Lewis have this right. Those companies cutting sick pay are just trying to profit and being white knighted by some. http://BBC News - John Lewis says it is wrong to cut sick pay for unjabbed staff https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60105216 I’m no expert in employment law but I’m slightly surprised that it’s even legal to distinguish sick pay over a vaccination status. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: Even if they're old, or lonely, or vulnerable in ways you couldn't possibly know about if just encountering them in a supermarket? Sounds like a probable Tory voter. They're generally auld duffers. You've tugged at my heartstrings, though. Perhaps their loneliness would be better served by seeing a smiling human face, rather than a manky bit of cloth? 12 minutes ago, Snafu said: Very confusing and disturbing incident in an Edinburgh Costa. Looks like staff need to be retrained on how to wear a mask properly. So is this customer correct or is this customer very entitled? I have no idea what to think since I've been conditioned by the SG not to make any decisions for my self with out a risk assessment on opinions being carried out by the Thought Police. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/west-lothian-woman-angered-over-22842831 Edinburgh Costa customer upset at server with 'mask under nose' and tied up chairs Sharon, 48, visited the Hermiston Gait location for the popular coffee chain, and ended up leaving without her purchases over the state of the store's Covid protocols. A West Lothian woman was left angered after she visited an Edinburgh Costa establishment where she claimed the coronavirus protocols implemented by the Scottish Government were not being followed. Sharon, 48, from West Lothian, was in the capital for a car-related appointment when she stopped in at the Hermiston Gait location of the Costa Coffee chain. Speaking to Edinburgh Live, Sharon said: "I popped in for a coffee and a wee pastry while I waited for the return of my car, and from the beginning the experience wasn't great. "There was no hand sanitiser at any point of the store, and although I always carry my own, I am sure it's a necessity for every store to have hygiene points as well. "I was served by a woman at the counter who asked if I was sitting in, to which I responded yes and I noticed her mask was under her nose. I left it as she was behind perspex, but I also noted that. "I then got my food and sat at a table far away from everyone, but not far from two workers who looked to be on their break. "One of the workers came over and told me as soon as I sat down, that I could not sit there due to covid rules. "I understood that and asked where else I could sit, as a lot of the chairs had been cable tied together for some reason? Like, I know there is a social distancing rule in place, but surely cable tying six or seven tables together isn't needed? "I then was approached by the person who served me, who abruptly told me all she could do was offer me a refund or put my drink into a takeaway cup. She still wasn't wearing her mask right, as were the other two workers much the same. "I asked why and she just said ' Well, it's covid, we don't have any other seating?' which I felt was ironic given the severe lack of other covid protocols. "I told her this, and she just shrugged her shoulders, and didn't move her mask an inch, so I just told her to leave it and I would take my business elsewhere. "I understand the masks can be uncomfortable and annoying, but they are there for a reason, and the lack of hand sanitiser is also worrisome. "It is just the level of inconsistency of the protocols in place in the store, and I was made to feel like an utter criminal for sitting down." In a response to Sharon's complaint she sent to the customer service team, Costa sincerely apologised, and noted that they had passed on the comments to the area manager. A Costa Coffee spokesperson said: “The safety of our customers and team members is our number one priority. "Our stores continue to operate in line with Scottish Government guidelines, including hand-sanitiser stations, enhanced cleaning processes, and implementing social distancing – which means stores may have reduced seating capacity. "We apologise for the inconvenience caused.” Anyone else think this was a cool story? The 'feel like an utter criminal' part was a nice touch of melodrama. Seems a perfect candidate for a wee badge. Oh, and another reason why the shite needs to go. Yeah: volley them straight into the sun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Well I'm looking my black tie out. I hate trying to find it at the last minute. No need,I've already beat Cancer,so Covid isnt going to stand in my way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 It's almost like 'the science' couldn't be arsed with what we always knew pre-pandemic, along with all the actual real world data we now have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: I’m no expert in employment law but I’m slightly surprised that it’s even legal to distinguish sick pay over a vaccination status. My view is the same. It feels very discriminatory to me and particularly egrgeious from the multinationals who make exorbitant profits and pay as little tax as they can get away with. I suspect it'll be tested at some point in a court. Edited January 23, 2022 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Elixir said: You've tugged at my heartstrings, though. Perhaps their loneliness would be better served by seeing a smiling human face? Indeed. Let's support them to visit places where they can encounter smiling human faces. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Just a suggestion... Did DPB bring you that back from Tenerife? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Indeed. Let's support them to visit places where they can encounter smiling human faces. That’s the Falkirk Stadium ruled out then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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