Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[pandarilla]

Thought you'd have been right into the lift to community spirit tbh.

Calm yourself.

I've got no time for the little englander nonsense.

Supporting the nhs and lifting community spirits is a world away from this right wing imperial pish.

[Todd_is_God]

It appears, happily, talk of infections shooting up in Germany were not only premature, but incorrect.

Here, T7D deaths stay level again, with T7D new infections starting to take quite a dip. As we are testing more people, this is a very good sign.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[pandarilla]

 
 
From the top part, just for my own confusion where is the agreement and where should there have been more flak ?
Turns out quoting is too hard on my phone

I don't understand the question, and your original post was hours ago.

I wish the Labour Party elected members thought more like you do, or at least the way you suggested in your post.

But too many of them get a little bit of the good life and look after their own, listening to the spads telling them that socialism is unpopular and so don't rock the boat.

[s_dog]

 

1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:

Did we have the capability to test then? Did we have the capability to track?

 

In Scotland the capacity was 350 to begin with, now up ten times that, so prob not even anywhere near the capability to test enough now never mind two months ago. I wonder how Belgium for example are testing 10-20,000 daily (pop 11.5m), whereas we (pop 5.4m) are nowhere near half of that?
 

4 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Re the NHS contact tracing app...

Is there anyone that objects to it?

How do folk see the uptake going?
 

I don't object to it, as long as its only tracking you during the pandemic and all data is deleted once its over, why not? However, I read something about the take up of the app in Singapore (launched in March) is only a fifth of their population while they've said three quarters need to use it for it to work effectively. 

Edited May 2, 2020 by s_dog

[Bairnardo]

3 minutes ago, s_dog said:

 

In Scotland the capacity was 350 to begin with, now up ten times that, so prob not even anywhere near the capability to test enough now never mind two months ago. I wonder how Belgium for example are testing 10-20,000 daily (pop 11.5m), whereas we (pop 5.4m) are nowhere near half of that?
 

I don't object to it, as long as its only tracking you during the pandemic and all data is deleted once its over, why not? However, I read something about the take up of the app in Singapore (launched in March) is only a fifth of their population while they've said three quarters need to use it for it to work effectively. 

I would absolutely use it if its part of looseing restrictions. Like you though, I would like to see assurances that the whole thing is burned to the ground after we are past this. I think its use should be brought through parliament. That would give its use credibility, and could be used to put some legal restrictions on the post crisis data etc

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, s_dog said:

 

In Scotland the capacity was 350 to begin with, now up ten times that, so prob not even anywhere near the capability to test enough now never mind two months ago. I wonder how Belgium for example are testing 10-20,000 daily (pop 11.5m), whereas we (pop 5.4m) are nowhere near half of that?
 

I’ll take a guess and say part of it is to do with Belgium being an autonomous country and having total control over revenue raising and expenditure.

I could be wrong but I don’t think I am.

[Tight minge]

I posted about this earlier but Indonesia has somehow not been affected that badly despite having a metric fuckton of Chinese tourists. Daily deaths have barely changed compared to 2019.

Being over 17,000 islands certainly helps reduce the spread, especially when the ferry services were stopped a while back. The Chinese tourists would mostly be concentrated on Bali and Lombok.

However, the lack of a truly functioning healthcare system is much more to do with the low numbers in Indonesia, the inability to test, to collect data and corruption are more key factors to the low numbers.

The stats for Indonesias healthcare system are frightening and can put a lot of our gripes into perspective and this is after heavy investment.

There are circa 2800 hospitals in Indonesia (17K islands), only 20 to international standard (most of these in Jakarta and Bali). They have just over 300,000 beds (population circa: 270m). 0.2 Physicians to 1000 people and 1.2 nurses and midwifes.

Hospitals in the provinces are grim places, usually open buildings with a handful of beds and a best an (singular) oxygen tank. Everything you need to provide for yourself.

Getting sick in Indonesia isn’t a good idea.

They will have huge numbers of infections and deaths that will never come to light.

Although, as said the number of islands also helps in their defence.

[NotThePars]

1 hour ago, pandarilla said:

Supporting the nhs and lifting community spirits is a world away from this right wing imperial pish.
 

Portraying frontline essential workers as "heroes" fighting a valiant struggle is directly linked to this right wing imperial pish especially when they're much more at risk because of your conscious ideological decisions that have made their work less safe.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

 

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

 

Aye, that’s what happens when you elect extremists.

[Bairnardo]

2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

 

You can be past the peak but still higher than other countries surely?

Happy to beat the tories with any stick really but not sure what you are getting at here?

[Herman Hessian]

3 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

why on earth are the death rates in other countries remotely relevant as to whether or not the UK has passed its peak or not ?

[superbigal]

I’ll take a guess and say part of it is to do with Belgium being an autonomous country and having total control over revenue raising and expenditure.
I could be wrong but I don’t think I am.

Actually Belgium is one of the most politically fragmented countries in the western world..
Belgium however as a nation has come together very well imo during the crisis.

[Todd_is_God]

22 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

Yes, but they are coming down, and would be even lower had we not changed how we reported over the last week.

I know the majority on here hate the Tories, but that doesn't mean everything they say is bollocks. We are past the peak.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Scary to think where we’d be had Corbyn been in power. He have probably given all our PPE to his Venezuelan comrades in exchange for a new hat.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

34 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The Tories say that the UK is 'past the peak'....but daily death rates are still higher then pretty much any country outside the USA.

Tory lies and propaganda, again. 

 

As others have said, I’m not sure this makes much sense.

However, the underlying ethos of your post, Bob, is that the Tories are in effect, murdering old people, the medically vulnerable and the poor and for that should be held up as utter charlatan inhumane c***s, awhatever they say.

So I’m right behind that ethos.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 minute ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Scary to think where we’d be had Corbyn been in power. He have probably given all our PPE to his Venezuelan comrades in exchange for a new hat.

Aye, could have been a lot worse than 30k+ dead with a PM shirking leadership and his deputies rocking up to lie at 5pm every day.

[Rodhull]

5 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Scary to think where we’d be had Corbyn been in power. He have probably given all our PPE to his Venezuelan comrades in exchange for a new hat.

Yeah because the Tories have handled this so unbelievably well so far. Fucking hell.

[Barney Rubble]

33 minutes ago, superbigal said:

 

Actually Belgium is one of the most politically fragmented countries in the western world..
Belgium however as a nation has come together very well imo during the crisis.

 

Montenegro, population 700,000  - total lockdown on 16th March, including commercial airspace.

Seven deaths and 331 cases in total. No new cases for three days.

Now announcing partial relief of lockdown.

Compare and contrast with Heathrow/Gatwick.

[Iminavest]