Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Savage Henry]

8 minutes ago, Forest_Fifer said:

1 hour ago, dundeefc1783 said:

Surely that point was three fucking months ago. Bumbling fucking idiot

Exactly. And if he's going to say it, then do it now, not in couple of weeks

In complete fairness, you know just fine well that anyone lining up a cheap flight to Magaluf next month is not going to react well to having to quarantine themselves for a fortnight afterwards. 

[pandarilla]

It seems a bit mental to advise construction and manufacturing to get back to work, with a days notice, without any guidelines really on what needs to change in their work environments. 

They're issuing new guidelines, as mentioned in the speech.

Look i know I'll get battered on here for this but i didn't think it was particularly bad - and better than i was expecting (although my opinion of Boris is incredibly low so the bar wasn't high). I've not read anything from the last couple of hours so apologies if I'm repeating other folk.

He's showing the path towards ending lockdown, and adding in the obvious caveats. (bloody big ones, as well)

It all boils down to testing, and getting things sorted in care homes (things he openly admitted).

Those things are not easy things to fix in this crisis but they've clearly fucked them up - and need to do much better. If not, the cases will rise, and they'll bounce between 3 and 4 for months. We'll see how it goes.

Sturgeon wants to be more careful before embarking on a similar path. That's the difference as far as i can see.

It was notable that he never mentioned seeing loved ones though. Typical tories, get the economy sorted before thinking about folk and their feelings.

[TheScarf]

2 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

I don’t think it will be. 

I do.

[Carl Cort's Hamstring]

56 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said:

There are millions of people now unsure about whether they need to be heading out to work in 12 hours time or not, which seems problematic to say the least.

I actually think that was probably his best performance, which shows how low the bar is.

For about an hour, I was willing to cut him a bit of slack. While the instructions for workers are quite ambiguous, I thought the social side of the message was pretty clear.

Now, I've seen this and given up. FFS.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Carl Cort's Hamstring

[Savage Henry]

For about an hour, I was willing to cut him a bit of slack. While the instructions for workers are quite ambiguous, I thought the social side of the message was pretty clear.
Now, I've seen this and given up. FFS.
 

Couldn’t possibly be Robert Peston being deliberately obtuse again, could it?

[Todd_is_God]

16 minutes ago, Futureboy said:

Beyond belief. The death count is going to be frightening. 

All assumptions of this hapoening that i've seen are based on the severity of Spanish Flu.

Spanish Flu had an extraordinary mortality rate in children, young adults and old people. Covid-19 is nothing like Spanish Flu.

There may well be a second wave, but there is nothing to suggest the number of dead is likely to be any worse than the first. Those most vulnerable are well aware of the risks and how to minimise them. A second wave of infections may bring more infections than first time round, but that won't necessarily mean more deaths.

[Carl Cort's Hamstring]

1 minute ago, Savage Henry said:

 

Couldn’t possibly be Robert Peston being deliberately obtuse again, could it?

 

That is also extremely possible. He's saying that's what the government are briefing though. 

 

[DA Baracus]

I can't see employers saying to folk that they need to come in tomorrow.

More likely they'll be contacting their employees to sort a date for starting back. I imagine most employers will have plans in place already for folk returning to work anyway, and hopefully will have been keeping their employees up to date with things. Obviously not every employer will have done that mind but I imagine that, for the vast majority of folk, they won't be expected to go in to work tomorrow.

[Detournement]

22 minutes ago, LondonHMFC said:

All I could think of is a lift stuck between two floors.

[Futureboy]

13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

 

I honestly don’t think that.  If it takes off again we will go back into lockdown.

 

We are hovering just below R1. Putting folk back to work is inevitably going to increase that.

For what it's worth, I'm on another forum where one of the posters is a medical advisor who has been involved in advising government and his predictions have been bang on for weeks . His words were effectively, easing lockdown is batshit crazy.

[Detournement]

Just now, Futureboy said:

 

For what it's worth, I'm on another forum where one of the posters is a medical advisor who has been involved in advising government and his predictions have been bang on for weeks . His words were effectively, easing lockdown is batshit crazy.

Q?

[Alert Mongoose]

Any historians on here know if any attempts at ‘social distancing’ were made during the Spanish flu or was it just a mass panic free for all? 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Alert Mongoose

[Futureboy]

19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

All assumptions of this hapoening that i've seen are based on the severity of Spanish Flu.

Spanish Flu had an extraordinary mortality rate in children, young adults and old people. Covid-19 is nothing like Spanish Flu.

There may well be a second wave, but there is nothing to suggest the number of dead is likely to be any worse than the first. Those most vulnerable are well aware of the risks and how to minimise them. A second wave of infections may bring more infections than first time round, but that won't necessarily mean more deaths.

Whit? A second wave of infection will inevitably result in deaths. 

FWIW, none of the assumptions I have followed are based on Spanish Flu.

You also proclaimed that there is a workplace "certification" to go back to work, which is untrue.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Futureboy

[invergowrie arab]

20 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

They're issuing new guidelines, as mentioned in the speech.

Look i know I'll get battered on here for this but i didn't think it was particularly bad - and better than i was expecting (although my opinion of Boris is incredibly low so the bar wasn't high). I've not read anything from the last couple of hours so apologies if I'm repeating other folk.

He's showing the path towards ending lockdown, and adding in the obvious caveats. (bloody big ones, as well)

It all boils down to testing, and getting things sorted in care homes (things he openly admitted).

Those things are not easy things to fix in this crisis but they've clearly fucked them up - and need to do much better. If not, the cases will rise, and they'll bounce between 3 and 4 for months. We'll see how it goes.

Sturgeon wants to be more careful before embarking on a similar path. That's the difference as far as i can see.

It was notable that he never mentioned seeing loved ones though. Typical tories, get the economy sorted before thinking about folk and their feelings.

The plan is fine. The execution of communicating the message was a fucking mess.

Evidenced by the fact that Twitter is now buzzing with journalists tweeting their own interpretations of added messages that have he to be rushed out.

He also completely neglected to mention that apart from Border control he was speaking on behalf of England

Edited May 10, 2020 by invergowrie arab

[Michael W]

I get that no one wants to listen to Johnson droning on for ages, but putting out the details afterwards is not a sensible move. Leaves it too open for confused journalists to in turn confuse everyone else. 

[Wee Willie]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

I don’t think he used those words, they were used against him.  He spoke about his father being out of work and getting on his bike to look for a job.

He was an unlikeable cùnt all the same.

I thought he said, "Let them eat cake"

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Passed a site in Dundee on Thursday or Friday, folk working away.

My lassies partner and my grandson who are both plumbers, started back at work in Dundee last Monday.

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Definitely Cameron or Eden.

They created their own crises. 

Surely Chamberlain is near the top - peace in our time!

1 hour ago, mizfit said:

My pal is adamant that Holyrood rejected £1bn from the UK deliberately. Not sure where he’s got this from, but he’s a Rangers fan

Say nae mair

[Bert Raccoon]

11 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Q?

Clearly a smart man but not sure I'd trust his views on this subject tbh.

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Futureboy said:

Whit? A second wave of infection will inevitably result in deaths.

I didn't say there would be no deaths.

[madwullie]

22 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

In complete fairness, you know just fine well that anyone lining up a cheap flight to Magaluf next month is not going to react well to having to quarantine themselves for a fortnight afterwards. 

Thought this was quite an interesting thread about what quarantine means in SK

 

[madwullie]

15 minutes ago, Futureboy said:

We are hovering just below R1. Putting folk back to work is inevitably going to increase that.

For what it's worth, I'm on another forum where one of the posters is a medical advisor who has been involved in advising government and his predictions have been bang on for weeks . His words were effectively, easing lockdown is batshit crazy.

R0=1 is exponential growth is it not? 

Dont think much has materially changed from the early days to suggest that things will be much less grim than they were then