Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[madwullie]

12 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

There will be a lots of people that are not working class working from home instead of in the office.

That's what I'm saying. 

People from lower income families are more likely to contract covid and ultimately die from it. They're also more likely to *have* to go to work, rather than being able to work from home. Seems pretty likely to me there's at least a big of a link between those two facts. 

And as time progresses and businesses reopen, again the low income workers will be more likely to have to actually go to work than work from home. Hairdressers, waitresses etc aren't able to wfh no matter how unsafe they feel at their place of work. And these low paid people are more likely to catch / die from the virus. 

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

Is that not what madwullie said?

 

I thought I was maybe picking it up wrong. 

[renton]

42 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I don't hear anyone even raising questions about it in Parliament though. We are 2.5 months on from our first death and we're only just managing to look at the people entering the country? Fucking madness even without hindsight and questions need asked.

Perhaps I am missing the bigger picture here, we'll see how it plays out.

The opportunity to shut borders early doors was missed, but once it was native in the population, shutting the borders would hardly make a difference. I suppose the corollary of that is that as the infection rate in the UK populace drops, the percentage probability of external infection becomes non trivial again and so, tight border control becomes a relevant topic again.

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, bendan said:

I don't really see that. People are beginning to simply do what's allowed in England from what I see, which is hardly surprising seeing as the media is so London focused. Sturgeon risks looking like she's not in control at all.

The bigger problem for the SNP will come if when they announce their roadmap it is identical to down South.

[renton]

As for Sturgeon, today she reeled off a laundry list of shite, tbh. Though I still have some hope that social contact similar to the Belgian Bubble format is still on the cards as frankly, for example, shouting down to your parents from the window of your tenement flat in the pishing Glasgow Summer rain is neither going to endear the First Minister, or make her look clever.

And she surely knows it.

[MuckleMoo]

Be good to get a round of golf.Then ill play utter shite batter myself around the head with a club and think it was a shite idea to play....just like normal 
 

Just think though, the courses are going to be in pristine condition

[Scary Bear]

If you’re going to see one person from another household you might as well see the rest of the household too. If Thursday is just a copy and paste of Boris’ plans then Nic will rightly get the same criticism.

[ICTChris]

I think posters above are maybe overthinking how this will reflect on Nicola sturgeon.  If we come out of lockdown on the same path as rUK/England no-one will give a f**k as long as it works.

Edited May 18, 2020 by ICTChris

[renton]

1 minute ago, ICTChris said:

I think posters above are maybe overthinking how this will reflect on Nicola sturgeon.  If we come out of lockdown on the same path as rUK/England no-one will give a f**k as long as it works.

The whole "meet someone from another household, so long as it's outside and so long as you keep socially distancing" is one of those quintessentially British muddles that makes this shithole country so endearing to a particular brand of US tourist and infuriating for everyone under the age of 55 who doesn't pretend to remember the Blitz. I recall reading that in the early 60s, the idea was mooted that in the event of nuclear war starting while the Prime Minister was on the road, then the AA should be used as couriers of that information, pulling over the ministerial car to deliver the news. 

It's that utter lack of lateral thinking, in favour of blinkers on, first thing that comes to mind, A to B to C style problem solving that makes Britain's political class generally so shite at most things it attempts.

And if Sturgeon is simply going to change the headers and footers on the UK strategy and roll it out here, then she is a bloody fool.

[Thereisalight..]

Can’t believe people are still panicking about easing lockdown measures. There’s been 2 deaths reported today (albeit it’s the tinpot weekend figures). The news tonight mentioned that “covid could be here to stay for years”. Should life be put on pause until it disappears? 

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, renton said:

 remember the Blitz. 

You wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes!

[Granny Danger]

If only we could run our own affairs fully and properly and judge Sturgeon in her role as PM rather than FM.

Mind you that’s wishful thinking.

 

[Todd_is_God]

21 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Can’t believe people are still panicking about easing lockdown measures. There’s been 2 deaths reported today (albeit it’s the tinpot weekend figures). The news tonight mentioned that “covid could be here to stay for years”. Should life be put on pause until it disappears? 

The replies to the number of deaths being as low as 2 give a frightful insight into the lack of relative awareness tbh.

As do the papers. "Death toll climbs to x" and "Cases in Scotland rise to y" with no mention of how many they have increased by.

The media are enjoying the fear and the general public are blinded by it.

[welshbairn]

48 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said:

1 hour ago, doulikefish said:

Be good to get a round of golf.Then ill play utter shite batter myself around the head with a club and think it was a shite idea to play....just like normal 
 

Just think though, the courses are going to be in pristine condition

If anyone's cut the grass. Safe job, but hardly essential.

[Thereisalight..]

11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

The replies to the number of deaths being as low as 2 give a frightful insight into the lack of relative awareness tbh.

As do the papers. "Death toll climbs to x" and "Cases in Scotland rise to y" with no mention of how many they have increased by.

The media are enjoying the fear and the general public are blinded by it.

That last line sums it all up pretty nicely! 

9 minutes ago, Snafu said:

The population have been conditioned through being bombarded with government friendly 'advice' and news media horror stories, the deaths, possibility of passing on the virus and being responsible for deaths because you didn't take precautions. Now the population needs to be deprogrammed. Creating fear among the population is a great way of government control and some of the the population will self police others.

We are going to be on the crossroads very soon, decisions have to be made for everyone's sanity as much as still being socially responsible.

As does this. Glad there’s still people like us who can see through the BS

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, madwullie said:

That's what I'm saying. 

People from lower income families are more likely to contract covid and ultimately die from it. They're also more likely to *have* to go to work, rather than being able to work from home. Seems pretty likely to me there's at least a big of a link between those two facts. 

And as time progresses and businesses reopen, again the low income workers will be more likely to have to actually go to work than work from home. Hairdressers, waitresses etc aren't able to wfh no matter how unsafe they feel at their place of work. And these low paid people are more likely to catch / die from the virus. 

I remember someone here saying early on that the only reason the Government was making a fuss about it was because the victims were posh people who had friends coming back from Italy, China and the like. The same guy is still saying open up and let it run riot, even as it's mainly the poorer taking the hit while the better off are sheltered.

[Distant Doonhamer]

I haven't seen my mother since the second week of March she has dementia and is in a care home, she won't recognise anyone in the family now.

Yep my dad’s in a care home and also has dementia. I last saw him in 12th March and my sister saw him a few days before that. We both live a good 3 hours from where he is but generally managed to see him each week. With regular visits and a bit of prompting he generally recognised us. A real concern now that we’ll have lost that connection. He struggles on the phone because of hearing issues. The care home is great and offered us links on Zoom or equivalent but dad just looks anxious and bemused if we try that. Obviously many people are much worse of than us but it is a real worry.

[Thereisalight..]

I saw on the news fans gathered outside celtic park, the police were in the background. Why weren’t they moving them along? They’re quick enough to move folk along who are sitting on park benches or sunbathing. I feel it set a precedent to allow you to go and meet your whole extended family and friends outside and the police could do hee haw about it 

Edited May 18, 2020 by Thereisalight..

[madwullie]

41 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Can’t believe people are still panicking about easing lockdown measures. There’s been 2 deaths reported today (albeit it’s the tinpot weekend figures). The news tonight mentioned that “covid could be here to stay for years”. Should life be put on pause until it disappears? 

No of course not. No-one anywhere is saying that. Just that we have to make sure it's safe and we can control it before we start to loosen, otherwise our only option is to lockdown again if it does what it does and starts to get exponential again. 

It would be good if a large chunk of the country has had it, but one day a study says 5% are likely to have had it, the next day another says 40% so I don't really think we can quite bet our houses on it being safe enough to go to extremes as yet. 

A proper, working, reliable anti-body test would go a long way to helping us make these decisions ASAP. 

[madwullie]

29 minutes ago, Snafu said:

I haven't seen my mother since the second week of March she has dementia and is in a care home, she won't recognise anyone in the family now.

That's absolute shit man. ♥