Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[D.A.F.C]

Jesus wept. You are a complete fucking idiot.

Was being totally serious as well.

I do think that lots of firms might realise that having a top heavy organisation isn't great though and most are surviving just fine without all the direction.

Of course there's a need for some management but not micro management.

 

[ICTChris]

Got to admit I wasn’t taking this seriously until I saw this. Really hit home. We’ve lost cruisin chubbies.

[Honest_Man#1]

15 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Was being totally serious as well.

I do think that lots of firms might realise that having a top heavy organisation isn't great though and most are surviving just fine without all the direction.

Of course there's a need for some management but not micro management.

 

If you’d just made this sensible point at the start instead of babbling about nobody ever needing a boss then it would have been preferable.

[D.A.F.C]

9 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

If you’d just made this sensible point at the start instead of babbling about nobody ever needing a boss then it would have been preferable.

Catch me outside, how bout dat?

[D.A.F.C]

32 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Got to admit I wasn’t taking this seriously until I saw this. Really hit home. We’ve lost cruisin chubbies.

Checked out their website:

Individuals depicted in the images are models and used solely for illustrative purposes"

 

[NotThePars]

If D.A.F.C  is advocating workers owned cooperatives then they're pretty popular historically and across the globe. Down with the hated bosses, be your own boss.

Edited June 22, 2020 by NotThePars

[Monkey Tennis]

9 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

45 then. As you say not a skive but not out of the ordinary (not saying you said it was btw).

It means he's doing almost 30% overtime, totally unpaid.

[coprolite]

3 hours ago, Mr Tourette said:

Have just been scrolling through the last 5 pages and am amused with the pish being spouted about working/middle class/teachers etc.

I started working in the late 70s and have never been aware of any class distinction. There have always been people who are up their own arses and consider themselves better than anyone else, but imo, there is no middle class as such.

There are, and will always be people who go to school/college/university, get some sort qualification (or not), then get a job and have to work to get a house, have kids etc. Then there are people who fanny around through school/university and get bankrolled into some position their well off parents engineer for them.

Not sure that counts as working/middle class, though

You used to be able to tell by hats. 

Top

Bowler

Bunnet

 

[tamthebam]

If the pubs are reopening in England I'm off to Berwick for a pint

@heedthebaa you're buying... 

[tamthebam]

12 hours ago, Gaz said:

I've always wondered why, if teaching is so easy, and the perks are so great, why there is a massive teacher shortage. You'd think folk would be lining up to do it.

The only career advice my old man ever gave me was "don't become a teacher" 

He was a teacher 

[Mistermark 75]

15 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

The only career advice my old man ever gave me was "don't become a teacher" 

He was a teacher 

My mum said the same thing.  I actually ended up getting right in aboot the smack. All better now but still...

[Marshmallo]

8 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

9 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Misses the point as ever.

Aye. I've only been teaching 12 or so years maybe and I've taught Standard Grade and Higher/Advanced, then Int 1, Int 2 and Higher Still/Advanced then National 3/4/5 and CfE Higher/Advanced. And that's just the senior school. We've also went from 5 to 14 to CfE with a lot of change even within CfE for the juniors. All at the same time the parents have increased demands, budgets have been cut, staff shortages abound and support services for pupils with learning or behaviour problems have been decimated (Todd was asking upthread about what do you do with someone who just won't take a telling - in the past you might have excluded or sent them to an off-campus facility where there are specialists and a police liaison etc. but guess what? Cut. So we have to "internally exclude" them instead which is a joke as all it does is make them miss more classes while taking a member of staff out thr picture). Yes, other industries and sectors have seen change, but is there the same level of public scrutiny? I'd encourage anyone who thinks it's a cushy number to try it - even arrange a visit to a local school to see what the job is like (many schools will allow that to former pupils etc if they are considering going to teacher training college) - some of you might even enjoy it.

No one is saying it's a "cushy number". There seems to be a disproportionate number of teachers who think their job is impossible and ever changing, while everyone else is sitting with their feet up living an easy life and working 10 hours a week.

[peasy23]

Reports on the radio this morning that Boris will announce today that cinemas, museums and art galleries in England can open from 4th July.

[Jacksgranda]

9 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Misses the point as ever.

Aye. I've only been teaching 12 or so years maybe and I've taught Standard Grade and Higher/Advanced, then Int 1, Int 2 and Higher Still/Advanced then National 3/4/5 and CfE Higher/Advanced. And that's just the senior school. We've also went from 5 to 14 to CfE with a lot of change even within CfE for the juniors. All at the same time the parents have increased demands, budgets have been cut, staff shortages abound and support services for pupils with learning or behaviour problems have been decimated (Todd was asking upthread about what do you do with someone who just won't take a telling - in the past you might have excluded or sent them to an off-campus facility where there are specialists and a police liaison etc. but guess what? Cut. So we have to "internally exclude" them instead which is a joke as all it does is make them miss more classes while taking a member of staff out thr picture). Yes, other industries and sectors have seen change, but is there the same level of public scrutiny? I'd encourage anyone who thinks it's a cushy number to try it - even arrange a visit to a local school to see what the job is like (many schools will allow that to former pupils etc if they are considering going to teacher training college) - some of you might even enjoy it.

I don't understand half of that, some of it sounds like change for changes sake, surely you need time for these changes to bed in to see if they actually work? Or are all these (bolded bits) just cosmetic changes?

I never fancied being a teacher - being a university lecturer was far more appealing to me (not that I was one) - I was at a secondary school where the ability and aptitude of pupils was quite high and most of us were willing to learn and fairly easily disciplined, even allowing for the "stupid" ones who were fee paying who probably brought down the ability part of the equation (as opposed to the capable ones who were fee paying), but even then the class sizes were big (30 or so) and the range of abilities was quite big, too. It must have been a bit stressful trying to teach and control 30 boys (nearer 180 over the course of the school day, I suppose), and even when I was a pupil being a teacher wasn't high on my list of potential jobs.

What it was like being a teacher in a school where the pupils didn't want to learn and were just putting in time to leave and get a job (plentiful back then "open the school doors and let the kids walk across to the shipyards/mines/trawlers/car factories") I don't know.

I've never subscribed to this "eight weeks holiday" nonsense, and even if teachers do get 8 weeks holiday (in the summer), so what? It's part of their work conditions.

[Steven W]

Chap from Belfast University on Sky News this morning. They've been doing studies into children and Covid-19.

Their results will be out "any day now", (they've been sent to a journal for publication) but he hinted several times that children don't spread it in the same way as adults. That allied with the fact they seemingly almost never suffer badly from it, should you would think have an enormous bearing on how we proceed with this. It should also be remebered that a Swiss study a couple of months ago found the same thing.

Meanwhile Swinney will take the stage today and deliver meaningless drivel, and our kids will go back to school in August on a part time basis for an indefinite peroid of time.

I can't find the story on Sky News, but the Irish Times are running it;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/23/news/queen-s-university-belfast-team-lead-major-trial-to-discover-children-s-immunity-to-coronavirus-1982144/

I should add I'm a little puzzled by the "results any day now" the man on Sky said, given the research is still on going. But say it he did.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Steven W

[Wee Bully]

Chap from Belfast University on Sky News this morning. They've been doing studies into children and Covid-19.
Their results will be out "any day now", (they've been sent to a journal for publication) but he hinted several times that children don't spread it in the same way as adults. That allied with the fact they seemingly almost never suffer badly from it, should you would think have an enormous bearing on how we proceed with this. It should also be remebered that a Swiss study a couple of months ago found the same thing.
Meanwhile Swinney will take the stage today and deliver meaningless drivel, and our kids will go back to school in August on a part time basis for an indefinite peroid of time.
I can't find the story on Sky News, but the Irish Times are running it;
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/23/news/queen-s-university-belfast-team-lead-major-trial-to-discover-children-s-immunity-to-coronavirus-1982144/
I should add I'm a little puzzled by the "results any day now" the man on Sky said, given the research is still on going. But say it he did.

According to the article, we are 8 weeks into a 6 month study - so 4 months to go.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

No one is saying it's a "cushy number". There seems to be a disproportionate number of teachers who think their job is impossible and ever changing, while everyone else is sitting with their feet up living an easy life and working 10 hours a week.

I didn't say that though - the conversation was about people thinking teaching was easy - it isn't.

Anyone thinking of doing the job because the pay is relatively good and the holidays is doing it fot all the wrong reasons.

Yes - I know other jobs are just as challenging - but that wasn't the discussion.

[dirty dingus]

35 minutes ago, peasy23 said:

Reports on the radio this morning that Boris will announce today that cinemas, museums and art galleries in England can open from 4th July.

Listened to that, seemed to be saying if you want to go to the pub on July 4th you have to pre book as table service only and that there will be a get the virus don't blame us disclaimer. I think beer gardens will do good trade, the public they had on giving their views, a lot seemed apprehensive about being indoors in these places. I know a few boozers in Inverclyde are looking to get permits for areas outside the boozers to set up tables and chairs like the did when the tall ships visited.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Chap from Belfast University on Sky News this morning. They've been doing studies into children and Covid-19.
Their results will be out "any day now", (they've been sent to a journal for publication) but he hinted several times that children don't spread it in the same way as adults. That allied with the fact they seemingly almost never suffer badly from it, should you would think have an enormous bearing on how we proceed with this. It should also be remebered that a Swiss study a couple of months ago found the same thing.
Meanwhile Swinney will take the stage today and deliver meaningless drivel, and our kids will go back to school in August on a part time basis for an indefinite peroid of time.
I can't find the story on Sky News, but the Irish Times are running it;
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/23/news/queen-s-university-belfast-team-lead-major-trial-to-discover-children-s-immunity-to-coronavirus-1982144/
I should add I'm a little puzzled by the "results any day now" the man on Sky said, given the research is still on going. But say it he did.

Most of the scientific evidence is inconclusive so far - even this one - it hasn't been completed yet.

[Jacksgranda]

40 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Chap from Belfast University on Sky News this morning. They've been doing studies into children and Covid-19.

Their results will be out "any day now", (they've been sent to a journal for publication) but he hinted several times that children don't spread it in the same way as adults. That allied with the fact they seemingly almost never suffer badly from it, should you would think have an enormous bearing on how we proceed with this. It should also be remebered that a Swiss study a couple of months ago found the same thing.

Meanwhile Swinney will take the stage today and deliver meaningless drivel, and our kids will go back to school in August on a part time basis for an indefinite peroid of time.

I can't find the story on Sky News, but the Irish Times are running it;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/06/23/news/queen-s-university-belfast-team-lead-major-trial-to-discover-children-s-immunity-to-coronavirus-1982144/

I should add I'm a little puzzled by the "results any day now" the man on Sky said, given the research is still on going. But say it he did.

"Preliminary results", maybe?