Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[mizfit]

Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week.

Is the pub thing confirmed?

[Guest bernardblack]

Is the pub thing confirmed?

I’ve only read that he will be following a German model to “top up” wages, if hours need to be cut.

[Jambomo]

10 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Pretty hard for Glasgow to justify filling its accommodation halls with kids, while planning to offer next to no teaching that's not online, I'd have thought.  

Some teaching is going ahead I.e where people are on courses with practical elements such as lab work etc.

[Rob1885]

Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week.

Surely it will be some sort of furlough extension for those industries unable to open in a covid secure manner rather than a scheme which will enable facilities to close down which are currently open. Covering employees wages is only half the battle.

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

2 minutes ago, Rob1885 said:

20 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Rishi Sunak announcing a Winter Economic Plan tomorrow. All pubs to be closed in a week.

Surely it will be some sort of furlough extension for those industries unable to open in a covid secure manner rather than a scheme which will enable facilities to close down which are currently open. Covering employees wages is only half the battle.

He has to start thinking about how many years can they pay people to sit at home.

Covid is not going away.

[Rob1885]

He has to start thinking about how many years can they pay people to sit at home.
Covid is not going away.

I get what you're saying but you cant throw millions onto the scrapheap as entire industries shut down through no fault of anyones (so to speak, I'd be here all day if I started about Westminster and Holyrood's handling of the pandemic).

[Wee Willie]

2 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

This is meant well, but actually feels like a kiss of death tbh.

Unlucky @Szamo's_Ammo you had a good run pal.

 

I borrowed this from a forum

[Monkey Tennis]

12 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

Some teaching is going ahead I.e where people are on courses with practical elements such as lab work etc.

That's why I said "next to no teaching" as opposed to "no teaching".

It's very limited.  Plenty of the students accommodated in halls are receiving no such input at all.  It really begs the question as to what they're doing there.  

There's no logic that suggests teaching some classes in small groups would be intrinsically unsafe; yet housing hundreds of students close together isn't.

[Michael W]

Covid indeed isn't going away and therefore we need to work out how we're going to live with it. Random changes in restrictions, periodic lockdowns and shutting down parts of the economy are stop gap measures and are not sustainable in the long term. That the government has made zero progress in trying to work this out is frankly unforgivable, and that many other European governments have made similarly zero progress in this regard is not an excuse. 

I've said it before, but we are absolutely not living with the virus, we are hiding from it and hoping it goes away. What if the vaccine fails? Are we just carry on locking down every 4 months when cases reach a level the government decides it will no longer willing to tolerate? 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Surely nobody is panic buying?

The shops did not shut during lockdown and will not shut now.

I hate people

Loo roll sales have increased again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/toilet-roll-sales-rise-coronavirus-restrictions-a4554511.html%3famp

[Rob1885]

I've seldom been as angry as I was regarding the panic buying back in March, pathetic.

[strichener]

8 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

8 hours ago, Have some faith in Magic said:

119 of the 383 cases in Scotland yesterday were in the 19 or under age category. 
 

The last 7 days saw 1993 cases of those 72 were in ages 5-14 with a further 322 15-19 so a fair chunk of those not school kids. To put into proper perspective the same period saw 655 cases for 25-44yo and 517 for 45-64 yo. As I have pointed out now several times not the driving vector you portray and thankfully for the kids sakes both Govts can see this.

Just catching up with the thread and came across this post which appears to try to show that infection rates are higher in bandings of 20 years (25-44 and 45-64) than they are in 10 year banding (5-14) and 5 year banding (15-19) of course the absolute numbers are higher.  However, based on your own figures, there are:

64.4 cases per age year in the 15-19 age group,

32.75 in the 25-44 and

25.85 in the 45-64

This doesn't even take into account the demographics of each age band which would make the relative number for the 15-19 age group even worse.  I am sure that the government can see this but they continue to ignore it as the "science" wouldn't back up the political and economic position that they are taking.  Interestingly we haven't heard any scientific evidence that backs up keeping schools open.

[Bert Raccoon]

I'm enjoying the new information adverts with Dr Steedman 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Just now, Bert Raccoon said:

I'm enjoying the new information adverts with Dr Steedman 

What information is this? Where would I find this information?

[Bert Raccoon]

Just now, Melanius Mullarkey said:

What information is this? Where would I find this information?

She seems to have taken over as the more friendly face of CoVid and Leitch seems to have been subbed. I for one am all for this.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 minute ago, Bert Raccoon said:

She seems to have taken over as the more friendly face of CoVid and Leitch seems to have been subbed. I for one am all for this.

This I can get on board with.

’mon the Covid.

[Billy Jean King]

Just catching up with the thread and came across this post which appears to try to show that infection rates are higher in bandings of 20 years (25-44 and 45-64) than they are in 10 year banding (5-14) and 5 year banding (15-19) of course the absolute numbers are higher.  However, based on your own figures, there are:
64.4 cases per age year in the 15-19 age group,
32.75 in the 25-44 and
25.85 in the 45-64
This doesn't even take into account the demographics of each age band which would make the relative number for the 15-19 age group even worse.  I am sure that the government can see this but they continue to ignore it as the "science" wouldn't back up the political and economic position that they are taking.  Interestingly we haven't heard any scientific evidence that backs up keeping schools open.

That's the way they present the year breakdown stats.

Problem with your version is that virtually no 18 & 19yo are at school and even at 17 it will be reduced. The vast majority of the 15-19 bracket over the last week or so will be college or university students rather than school pupils.

Schools are open so a case needs to be made for closing them more than keeping them open. So far no such evidence has been presented.

[David W]

17 minutes ago, Rob1885 said:

I've seldom been as angry as I was regarding the panic buying back in March, pathetic.

Is it panic buying, or good sense, to buy stuff in anticipation of others panic buying?

[Rob1885]

Is it panic buying, or good sense, to buy stuff in anticipation of others panic buying?

Had this conversation with many people at the time, which I get to an extent.The problem is that if everybody goes with the attitude of "I'm going to buy in bulk because f**k getting caught out when everybody else is doing it" you get the same result.

Its selfishness in its purest form.

[101]

24 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Covid indeed isn't going away and therefore we need to work out how we're going to live with it. Random changes in restrictions, periodic lockdowns and shutting down parts of the economy are stop gap measures and are not sustainable in the long term. That the government has made zero progress in trying to work this out is frankly unforgivable, and that many other European governments have made similarly zero progress in this regard is not an excuse. 

I've said it before, but we are absolutely not living with the virus, we are hiding from it and hoping it goes away. What if the vaccine fails? Are we just carry on locking down every 4 months when cases reach a level the government decides it will no longer willing to tolerate? 

Other than "hide" from it the only other option is to let it run its course through the population - being stubborn and keeping everything open would kill thousands every government in the world is waiting for a vaccine because the trials look positive if all the trials fail then perhaps a super strict N.Z style lockdown will be enforced around the world to drive prevalence of the virus down but other than that I have no idea what we could do.

Hyper shielding of the over 40s and those with underlying medical conditions? I can't see that being very popular.

If schools have to remain open which for most of the population seems to be a must and the economy has to have some kind of activity then I think we are stuck with what we have just now.

The frustration for me comes from actually having a good track and trace system but its still a bit slow people who are contacts should be contacted the same day as the positive result not the following day, I'm sure this will get better but until it does and folk stick with the self isolation advice then this is as good as it gets. Sadly.