scottsdad Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 A bit of perspective 75 Covid-related deaths (not necessary deaths as a result of contracting it) out of 1,152. Excess deaths well down. Surely this counts as low risk, unless we as a nation have decided to abolish death completely. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, scottsdad said: A bit of perspective 75 Covid-related deaths (not necessary deaths as a result of contracting it) out of 1,152. Excess deaths well down. Surely this counts as low risk, unless we as a nation have decided to abolish death completely. Sturgeon would try and push for that IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, scottsdad said: A bit of perspective 75 Covid-related deaths (not necessary deaths as a result of contracting it) out of 1,152. Excess deaths well down. Surely this counts as low risk, unless we as a nation have decided to abolish death completely. Which makes having to wait another four weeks before this utter pish is launched into the sea even more of a joke. It should have been binned immediately. Sturgeon will be absolutely desperate for the Pi variant to emerge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 The ONS gold standard showing rising/higher infection rates in Scotland than decreasing/lower reckless England. Deary me, what a minter that is for the Scottish Government and their advisers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Ron Aldo said: It's slightly ironic that a large number of the Track & Trace workers only started working there after losing their previous jobs due to various Covid measures. Sturgeon didn't seem to give to give a toss about these people previously when she was shutting down sectors of the economy and begging for money to close even more. It's rich of her try and use them now to highlight how reckless the Tories are apparently being. I haven't seen anything about this - have the number employed in T&T been used as an argument for continuing restictions? Surely not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 TfL are scrapping their mask requirement from tomorrow. Someone needs to do an FOI to find out why it's (officially) being kept here for another month. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, The Master said: TfL are scrapping their mask requirement from tomorrow. Someone needs to do an FOI to find out why it's (officially) being kept here for another month. Because reckless Tories and care more etc etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Master said: TfL are scrapping their mask requirement from tomorrow. Someone needs to do an FOI to find out why it's (officially) being kept here for another month. Probably because Tories don't care about human life. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Humans come together when it suits but are otherwise independent creatures. I disagree, I think we are highly social. Which is why lockdowns were so terrible. 11 minutes ago, oaksoft said: people didn't generally give a shit about the vulnerable pre-2020 and they'll go back to not giving much of a shit now that it's over Perhaps, however maybe us all being vulnerable, to an extent. Will have changed the mindset of some and even if folk don't give a shit I'm sure we can't really be that pissed off with folk who are concerned about day to day life voicing those concerns. Thankfully charities rely on people who do give a shit about all sorts of things that don't effect them otherwise. 14 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Humans are brutal I'm afraid but at least we do try. We try, we can try harder. As an example a whole load of folk destroyed the sunflower lanyard scheme, I would argue for selfish reasons. In the end I think government and business are the big winners from individualism. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Master said: TfL are scrapping their mask requirement from tomorrow. Someone needs to do an FOI to find out why it's (officially) being kept here for another month. Presumably so the when first case of the next variant is confirmed in the UK before the 21st of March she can say 'right masks and vaccine passports are mandatory again'. She's given herself a months wiggle room as she probably believes cases will rise again before then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: Sturgeon would try and push for that IMO. Not a good tactic if she wants to win indyref2 given the demographics of the last vote. Maybe that should be posted in the controversial opinions thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_rover Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: A bit of perspective 75 Covid-related deaths (not necessary deaths as a result of contracting it) out of 1,152. Excess deaths well down. Surely this counts as low risk, unless we as a nation have decided to abolish death completely. Whilst the general point is right, the excess deaths are being compared to 2016, 17, 18, 19 and 21 which isn't ideal given the massively increased mortality in the first two months of 2021 will skew it a bit higher. But even when taking 15-19 instead we are still seeing some excess coming through for every week so far - standardising for the age of the population, mortality in the first 6 weeks of the year is pretty much the same as the first six weeks of 2020. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 I haven't seen anything about this - have the number employed in T&T been used as an argument for continuing restictions? Surely not.Not an argument for restrictions, as such, but NS made a point in yesterday's briefing that doing away with T&T would result in a number of people losing their jobs. While that unfortunately might be the case, it shouldn't be a reason to keep it in place if its no longer required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmca Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 hours ago, scottsdad said: BBC Scotland this morning interviewed two folk from the shielding community. I wasn't expecting quite so much anger, but the two who were on were furious. As far as they see it, removing these "protections" is discriminating against the disabled. It's a human rights violation. I think the point really needs to be made - nobody is forcing people to take off masks. If you feel safe with one on, keep it on. If you feel safer not going to the shops, don't go to the shops. If you don't feel safe at a concert/football match/meeting, then don't go. Just because the narrative is about ending the legal requirements for these things doesn't mean they are banned. Masks will carry on for many. Didn't see the interview so can't comment on what the interviewees said, but your points are spot on. I'm on the shielding list, and have adjusted what I do slightly, mainly doing my shopping early in the morning. I do the occasional LFT test in case I'm asymptomatic. I know that, if I catch covid, I have a contact number to ensure I get the anti virals as quickly as possible to give me the greatest chance of not getting seriously ill. In short, there's plenty of stuff there to give you the best protection you can get. The disabled are discriminated against in many ways, but the lifting of restrictions is not one of them, and protesting against them does their cause no good. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Ron Aldo said: 40 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I haven't seen anything about this - have the number employed in T&T been used as an argument for continuing restictions? Surely not. Not an argument for restrictions, as such, but NS made a point in yesterday's briefing that doing away with T&T would result in a number of people losing their jobs. While that unfortunately might be the case, it shouldn't be a reason to keep it in place if its no longer required. Reminds me of the probably apocrychal story about the Berlin Wall. Some Western news team asked an East German soldier what he thought of it all - "terrible, I'll lose my job" he said. These jobs were always going to be temporary in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Went for my antigen test for flying to the US tomorrow and got the results back within an hour as 'unclear'. Randox then said I'd need to pay for another one and it'd need to be a PCR rapid test which I done but in the meantime I went elsewhere and got another antigen because I didn't trust them not to mess it up. So another £80 down and I'll complain to Randox when I'm back home but lesson for the day is anyone travelling to the US and needing the test the day before book it for the morning as if you do it late on and get an unclear result back after everywhere is shut then you're possibly fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Steaua Bucharest owner bans vaccinated players from playing for club | The Independent Hmmmm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard Graft Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: Will be interesting to see from what budget she takes the money to pay for this. Given the state of the Health budget and the number of people awaiting treatment it had better not be from that. Thought: What are Sturgeon and company going to blame when the Covid crisis is over and they have to take responsibility for all their failings in Health, Education etc? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Just now, Hard Graft said: Will be interesting to see from what budget she takes the money to pay for this. Given the state of the Health budget and the number of people awaiting treatment it had better not be from that. Thought: What are Sturgeon and company going to blame when the Covid crisis is over and they have to take responsibility for all their failings in Health, Education etc? Free testing is continuing for some groups in England too, so there's no guarantee yet that it will actually be anything over and above that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: I haven't seen anything about this - have the number employed in T&T been used as an argument for continuing restictions? Surely not. Not that I've seen, but in her statement yesterday she said that we need to remember those people have worked hard to keep us safe and they'll be out of a job and need to be supported in that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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