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9 hours ago, ArabianKnight said:

Not really comfortable with fellow Arabs spouting off atm.

Pride before a fall and all that.

Team looks rotten. Another insipid performance when Mulgrew is in the team. He still thinks he's got it which he sadly doesn't. His one touch clearances which go straight to opposition players another feature again. Graham just pinging it constantly rather than taking a more simple pass contributing to Killie getting an attack and shot on goal constantly.

Edwards actually pick of the back 3 for me done well aside from a couple of stramashes he was involved with.

Smith can gtf.

McMann done well.

Most of the team looked dejected last night and need a manager who can change it up when required. For all the possession we had we done nothing with it.

 

 

From the outside looking in I think you’re panicking a bit prematurely. I genuinely think you’ll be fine. Too many decent players, surely?

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3 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

From the outside looking in I think you’re panicking a bit prematurely. I genuinely think you’ll be fine. Too many decent players, surely?

Plenty decent players but not a fuckin backbone between them. Soft as shite and you dont need that in a relegation battle

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7 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

From the outside looking in I think you’re panicking a bit prematurely. I genuinely think you’ll be fine. Too many decent players, surely?

Nah but Arabs lording it over the Dee's in a potential play off game will only have one outcome and I'd rather your lot didn't have that over us.

You're forever in our shadow but one inch closer to sunlight is a mile too far.

 

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2 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said:

See 2016

Aidan Connolly, Eddie Ofere, Michal Szromnik, Coll Donaldson, Mark Durnan, Luis Zwick, Rodney Sneijder, Aaron Kuhl, lots of young players who were hardly ready, and a host of guys well past the end of their careers like Demel and Pongolle? We've a far better squad now than then. 

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1 hour ago, Fifespud said:

From the outside looking in I think you’re panicking a bit prematurely. I genuinely think you’ll be fine. Too many decent players, surely?

As true as this is, we were saying this after Jack Ross got canned before September. Somehow hiring the guy whose only managerial experience prior had been with a Cowdenbeath side he left 7 points adrift at the bottom of League Two hasn't been the smash hit Tony had imagined.

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3 hours ago, Fifespud said:

From the outside looking in I think you’re panicking a bit prematurely. I genuinely think you’ll be fine. Too many decent players, surely?

They limited us (Kilmarnock FC) to just 26 shots on goal last night.

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I think what I dislike the most is the culture of lies, gaslighting and treating fans like utter mugs with Asghar and the spineless chancers that work under him.

The latest shit show around the window has brought it to the fore again.

We are being run by an Arnold Clark sales force.

I've watched United for long enough to deal with shite football but it's an incredibly hard club to like right now.

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4 hours ago, Mark Connolly said:

The club's official social media accounts have posted a picture of Fox with the caption "Happy Birthday Gaffer".

While it is obviously a nice sentiment, the comment sections have gone exactly the way everyone would expect. Well, everyone except the social media department apparently

United in Pursuit

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May have bypassed some, but seen that Meekison is out for the season at Falkirk.

Does that mean 'Fat Tony' has managed to get Falkirk to pay our injured player's wages? #AshgarIN 😃

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15 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

Aidan Connolly, Eddie Ofere, Michal Szromnik, Coll Donaldson, Mark Durnan, Luis Zwick, Rodney Sneijder, Aaron Kuhl, lots of young players who were hardly ready, and a host of guys well past the end of their careers like Demel and Pongolle? We've a far better squad now than then. 

Wasn't necessarily saying the players are worse now, just that we were constantly told we were too good to go down in 2016 and there are similarities in terms of low confidence and fucking chronic performances.

I'll never think we're safe till it's scientifically and legally proven by people in lab coats and suits. 

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When you get to the point of people unfurling banners demanding you have to go, then it is time to go. It's just a job, and certainly isn't worth the hate he's getting.

But that being said, I've always felt bemused by the amount of hate Tony Asghar has gotten from the online Arab community. You would be forgiven for thinking some people hate him more than they love the club, and there's one guy on the Tek forum in particular who has a seriously unhealthy dislike for him. All because he didn't think he was very welcoming at hospitality.

I want to preface this by saying that I'm not a 'happy clapper' or a 'lanyard wearer', I've never met Asghar (I walked past him in Sainsburys once, if that cements my pro-TA agenda 😅) and I'm not happy with the recruitment this season at all, but having said that, I think that on the whole, things have been ok up until the disaster of this season in terms of league position, getting into Europe, signing players that show ambition, trying to get a good ethos into the club, a more serious commercial agenda etc. The one thing that has been poor all the way through the Ogren/Asghar reign has been quality of entertainment from the product on the pitch. It's been brutal.

But you read things like how he's responsible for 5 managers in 4 years leaving because he wants to control them. This isn't true. Neilson happily worked for the guy and then left for a better paid job at his favourite club. We'd all do the same. Mellon was a panic hire because they needed a manager in quickly and he was punted because he played awful football and wasn't well liked (I often spoke to people at the club who didn't like him). Why Courts left was a bit of a mystery, but Ross was sacked because of a calamitous run. Did any of them leave because of him? Probably not. 

The next thing you read - in a similar but different point - is that he only appoints inexperienced managers because he wants to control them. Of his four hires, two were experienced and two are/were inexperienced. Jack Ross in particular fits the description of the sort of manager people who actively hate Asghar want in the job and he was a disaster. There's no science to this folks.

They say he makes the signings and the manager has no choice on it. Categorically untrue. I don't think as DoF he really sees the bigger picture of what's needed, but he definitely defers to the manager when signings are made.

They say he's responsible for not making any noteable signings in January. I'd say that was Ogren, who unlike received wisdom would suggest, isn't some distant prince who has been trapped by evil Tony and doesn't get a say. He's an experienced businessman ffs.

They want Craig Levein even though Levein was a massive failure as DoF at Hearts. But they trust him. He's a football man who is qualified to be a DoF when an agent who never played the game isn't.

For me it simply boils down to some people simply not liking the cut of his jib. They don't like him and they don't trust him and that's fair enough, but just say it; don't use arguments that aren't true to justify it.

 

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Good post, @SGMilne, I can recall United fans wanting Jerry Kerr out and in his early days JIm McLean too. Nowadays, with fans more informed of identities of the people behind the scenes, the targets become chairmen and technical staff as well as managers.

On Asghar, he has more of a football background than most of his critics, having been on the books at Ibrox in the late 'eighties, then working as an agent for a long period of time. If he hadn't got the Ogrens interested, we could well have gone into administration or worse in 2018.

I'm not happy about the way things have gone this season, and Asghar has to take some responsibility for that, but every club in the present 12 has had a period of terrible friction between their support and the managers/boards/football staff in the past few years. 

Times have changed, football has changed, I find it draining away my enthusiasm for going to matches.

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The fans need a target when things aren't going well, and with the constant turnover of managers over the last few years, without anything really changing elsewhere, it becomes pretty easy to aim criticism at Tony. Some of it is definitely deserved, but, as always with football, plenty isn't.

He's effectively the big round face of the owners though, so that's part of the territory

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34 minutes ago, kevitt said:

Any reason Behich wasnt in squad midweek, injured or suspended?

 

Rumour is that hes being sold to a Turkish team as their transfer window is still open. Id imagine that will be the straw that breaks the camels back tbh

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