Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I'm rarely surprised by racism in this country but I've got ot admit, even I've been taken aback by how in less the a fortnight, the right have gone from the morally defensible position of "I get why people are angry but they should protest peacefully," to "Here's why slavery was actually fine." 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Should we airbrush our history and remove anything which is now perceived as unsavoury ? No, I don't believe we should as people should be able to understand the context of the time and indeed how things have changed. Personally I'd see that as a positive and a very valuable lesson in the evolution of society and its views / outlook on life. Removing things like statues and renaming streets or buildings is not airbrushing history. The history isn’t being retold in a different way or hidden, these things are being demoted from being an object of commemoration and reward to going in a museum or a river. This in itself would be a powerful historical event, making it rather than airbrushing it. How can people understand how these things have changed when the majority of a predominantly white society have no idea if they have or not? Racism in the U.K. is most often hidden, in the form of having to apply for jobs or flats more than three times the amount a white person has to (I know friends in both those categories) and being unable to demonstrate this is racism because they always just have “better candidates”. I didn’t know anything about the history of Colston till the statue was brought down. These things teach us nothing where there is no explanations about what they did and most people walk straight past them. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted June 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Should we airbrush our history and remove anything which is now perceived as unsavoury ? No, I don't believe we should as people should be able to understand the context of the time and indeed how things have changed. Personally I'd see that as a positive and a very valuable lesson in the evolution of society and its views / outlook on life. I could maybe, possibly accept this if it wasn't so selectively applied. A massive part of British identity is based on wilfully ignoring the historical context to anything. I'm tired of specious arguments about how we shouldn't impose our values on the past. "It was legal at the time!" they shout. Well, yes, of course it was. Atrocities committed by governments as opposed to individuals are often 'legal'. What the Nazis did in Germany was legal. Segregation was legal. Something can be legal and clearly, plainly immoral. "Most people at the time saw it as acceptable!" they scream. Pretty sure that the millions of people being kindapped, transported, maimed, raped and murdered didn't see it that way. Erasing their perspective is a fascinating insight into how you view the world. The rallying cry of "We mustn't sanitise history!" comes mostly from those dedicated to sanitising the reputations of individuals they admire and an empire they are proud of. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Quite a lot of people seem more upset about statues being toppled than they are about black people being murdered. Such views show exactly why protests like these are still relevant. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: I'm rarely surprised by racism in this country but I've got ot admit, even I've been taken aback by how in less the a fortnight, the right have gone from the morally defensible position of "I get why people are angry but they should protest peacefully," to "Here's why slavery was actually fine." I think my eyeballs might fall out the next time they have to read "people had diferent values then". Obviously we were not there to ask them personally but I'm not sure the folk shackled and sent across the ocean to work were ever that okay with it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Preferred the original thread title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: Preferred the original thread title. Yet more rewriting history from the mob. Edited June 10, 2020 by madwullie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: Preferred the original thread title. Did you not change it? I'd prefer "Slavery, on the whole, good or bad?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: Did you not change it? I'd prefer "Slavery, on the whole, good or bad?" No! Some mod on a power trip has taken away name! Can you believe someone in a position of power would do such a thing?! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: No! Some mod on a power trip has taken away name! Can you believe someone in a position of power would do such a thing?! Fascists! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Fascists! Who would ever thought that someone with power would abuse it?! Edited June 10, 2020 by Highland Capital 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Not going through104 pages but has George Soros been mentioned yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 From the limited information i've covered, seems Andrew Carnegie might be ok. However, if there is/was a statue of him in Inverkeithing, we may have issues to deal with following his abandonment of emigrees in new York (?) when they wouldn't cross an existing picket line to work for him. He was allegedly pelted with divits when he rode through Inverkeithing on his way to Dunfermline after he'd returned some time after this incident. Hence Inverkeithing is called colloquially as Inverdivit or The Divit. The story is along these lines if my recollection is not fully accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Not going through104 pages but has George Soros been mentioned yet? 20 hours ago, The Golden God said: Someone I went to school with and still have on FB because of her crazy posts, including being anti vax and claiming 5G is a weapon, has now decided that George Floyds death was a false flag and BLM/AntiFa are funded by George Soros so as to divide us and start a race war. 20 hours ago, welshbairn said: It's weird how people convinced that powerful Jews run the world through the Illuminati and various elites always take the side of the elites and the dark state forces when there's a confrontation between them and the ordinary people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpar Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, hearthammer said: From the limited information i've covered, seems Andrew Carnegie might be ok. However, if there is/was a statue of him in Inverkeithing, we may have issues to deal with following his abandonment of emigrees in new York (?) when they wouldn't cross an existing picket line to work for him. He was allegedly pelted with divits when he rode through Inverkeithing on his way to Dunfermline after he'd returned some time after this incident. Hence Inverkeithing is called colloquially as Inverdivit or The Divit. The story is along these lines if my recollection is not fully accurate. Divit, just Divit. Meanwhile in Canada https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/hundreds-sign-petition-demanding-toronto-rename-major-street-due-to-racism-concerns-1.4977565 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, welshbairn said: There is imo an elite group above the law who have their fingers in every pie. Politicians are puppets and the fall guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Looks like Edinburgh will be going down the shitebag route of adding a plaque to the Dundas statue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 America! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Couple of Ugandan parents in my wee boy's baby and toddler group are saving now to be able to afford the private school fees by the time their wee boy's 5 because they're terrified of how he'll be bullied in a normal state school. My first reaction to this was 'gosh that's a bit much isn't it?' but then I thought I probably just can't see the world like they do and should offer them unqualified support. Have they done research and found that racism is less prevalent in private schools? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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