topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Tony Wonder said: Daily Record says we are interested in Nicky Devlin. Solid player and maybe a proven SPFL player what we need to replace Smith but was hoping for something a bit more exciting. Having two Devlin’s would just be too confusing So it’s a no from me unless he changes it to Nick Devlin-Stevens 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 15 hours ago, VincentGuerin said: This approach will lead to success against the defenders who currently occupy our starting eleven. That makes it decent. Less of this tactical snobbery, please. I'm desperate for County to go down. Complete anti-football led by a relic of the Yogi Hughes type era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 16 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Is his negative impact on the team not down to neilson more than snodgrass? Unless he actively stopped trying, struck me more that teams were actively pressing him and he just doesn’t have the legs to do anything about it anymore. He either needed more legs around about him or just dropped. Oh aye, I'm not for a second saying that he wasn't actually trying. But Neilson played him in a role he could no longer play (and in interviews, Snodgrass played up on that, saying that - to paraphrase - 'the boys need to trust me more, give me the ball in tight spaces and know that I'll be able to move us forward'). And when it became obvious he could no longer play that role, instead of either moving into a different one (or as you say being dropped) or encouraging the less experienced guys round him to take advantage of the press on him to move the ball into space elsewhere, he still screamed for the ball in positions you just knew he would either lose it or have to fall over in hopes of a free kick - and then moan at his teammates because that happened. A lot of it is Neilson's fault, but his behaviour once on the pitch can't have helped but pissed off his teammates, imo. Certainly pissed off the fans watching him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, lennyzer0 said: Oh aye, I'm not for a second saying that he wasn't actually trying. But Neilson played him in a role he could no longer play (and in interviews, Snodgrass played up on that, saying that - to paraphrase - 'the boys need to trust me more, give me the ball in tight spaces and know that I'll be able to move us forward'). And when it became obvious he could no longer play that role, instead of either moving into a different one (or as you say being dropped) or encouraging the less experienced guys round him to take advantage of the press on him to move the ball into space elsewhere, he still screamed for the ball in positions you just knew he would either lose it or have to fall over in hopes of a free kick - and then moan at his teammates because that happened. A lot of it is Neilson's fault, but his behaviour once on the pitch can't have helped but pissed off his teammates, imo. Certainly pissed off the fans watching him. Ah, I’m with you. Got it, fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: I'm desperate for County to go down. Complete anti-football led by a relic of the Yogi Hughes type era. Think you're being a bit unfair on Yogi there. Do you actually remember his teams? He's hardly a hoofball merchant. And what's 'anti-football' anyway? Snobby shite invented by Barca fanbois imo. You play to win and that's that. Edited April 21, 2023 by VincentGuerin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Think you're being a bit unfair on Yogi there. Do you actually remember his teams? He's hardly a hoofball merchant. And what's 'anti-football' anyway? Snobby shite invented by Barca fanbois imo. You play to win and that's that. Agree with that. Teams have the right to try and win games the best way their resources allow. county had us penned in our own half for huge spells of the game using that tactic so why wouldn’t they? It’s like when Celtic fans moan about teams being defensive against them. Absolute nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Agree with that. Teams have the right to try and win games the best way their resources allow. county had us penned in our own half for huge spells of the game using that tactic so why wouldn’t they? It’s like when Celtic fans moan about teams being defensive against them. Absolute nonsense. Got to be honest, I fucking love to see it getting launched. Can't all have Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi in our teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Got to be honest, I fucking love to see it getting launched. Can't all have Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi in our teams. Let’s be honest, it’s the hearts way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Let’s be honest, it’s the hearts way. If I supported a team with a self-declared 'way', I'd shoot myself in the face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Think you're being a bit unfair on Yogi there. Do you actually remember his teams? He's hardly a hoofball merchant. Playing 15 passes between CBs and GK before hoofing it still means youre a hoofball merchant. A deluded hoofball merchant. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Playing 15 passes between CBs and GK before hoofing it still means youre a hoofball merchant. A deluded hoofball merchant. His Falkirk team were better than that, and I don't recall his Hibs team being industrial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Just now, VincentGuerin said: His Falkirk team were better than that, and I don't recall his Hibs team being industrial. Both those teams were 10+ years, and 6 jobs, ago. At one point he maybe had "silky" football on the go, but not from what ive seen in the past decade. Its just aimless passing around the defence then it getting launched when theres no options in midfield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Both those teams were 10+ years, and 6 jobs, ago. At one point he maybe had "silky" football on the go, but not from what ive seen in the past decade. Its just aimless passing around the defence then it getting launched when theres no options in midfield. His last three jobs have been relegation fire-fighting jobs, and at ICT he won the cup, so whatever he did seemed to work. Should he have played a prettier style and won f**k all? I hate lazy pish like the post I replied to. Anyone labelling Hughes an example of the worst of 'anti-football' or hoofing it etc is simply either clueless or too young to know better. Edited April 21, 2023 by VincentGuerin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: His last three jobs have been relegation fire-fighting jobs, and at ICT he won the cup, so whatever he did seemed to work. Should he have played a prettier style and won f**k all? I hate lazy pish like the post I replied to. Anyone labelling Hughes an example of the worst of 'anti-football' or hoofing it etc is simply either clueless or too young to know better. Im not criticising his style of play. I prefer quick counter attacks/direct play to any tippy tappy pish. All im saying is Hughes is absolutely one whos teams end up playing hoofball and the endless passing to nowhere doesnt change it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: All im saying is Hughes is absolutely one whos teams end up playing hoofball and the endless passing to nowhere doesnt change it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 3 hours ago, lennyzer0 said: Oh aye, I'm not for a second saying that he wasn't actually trying. But Neilson played him in a role he could no longer play (and in interviews, Snodgrass played up on that, saying that - to paraphrase - 'the boys need to trust me more, give me the ball in tight spaces and know that I'll be able to move us forward'). And when it became obvious he could no longer play that role, instead of either moving into a different one (or as you say being dropped) or encouraging the less experienced guys round him to take advantage of the press on him to move the ball into space elsewhere, he still screamed for the ball in positions you just knew he would either lose it or have to fall over in hopes of a free kick - and then moan at his teammates because that happened. A lot of it is Neilson's fault, but his behaviour once on the pitch can't have helped but pissed off his teammates, imo. Certainly pissed off the fans watching him. All players have dips in form but by the time you get to that age there's the question of whether the dip is terminal. Snodgrass thinks it isn't but then again he would say that 13 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: I'm desperate for County to go down. Complete anti-football led by a relic of the Yogi Hughes type era. I'll take your word for it because you've clearly thought about Ross county more than I have. I have occasionally completely forgotten that they exist even when attending Hearts vs Ross County Fixtures To be honest I'm still not sure that "Dingwall" is a real place. It certainly sounds made up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) Well - I, for one, am delighted that we now finally have a full-scale discussion on the merits or otherwise of the coaching skills of John 'Yogi' Hughes. Whatever else folk might want to say about the aforementioned J'Y'H, the guy was a decent coach whose record has been somewhat tarnished by his most recent coaching gigs. Score draw the morn - shree-shree, probably. Edited April 22, 2023 by paranoid android 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stylish Kid Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Got a bit bored so started skimming.... Am I to correct in understanding that there's a groundswell of support for Yogi as Hearts manager? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Playing 15 passes between CBs and GK before hoofing it still means youre a hoofball merchant. A deluded hoofball merchant. I think you'll find that's the Levein Way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said: Got a bit bored so started skimming.... Am I to correct in understanding that there's a groundswell of support for Yogi as Hearts manager? There certainly is among some Edinburgh football fans....... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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