101 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: We live in a capitalist society where money is king and where certain things - like stopping child poverty and homelessness - are seen as too expensive. Set against that backdrop of competing priorities, someone who has committed such a crime should be at the rock bottom of the list. Considering in California killing the prisoner is 18x more expensive than life without parole then it's not about cost. We live in a capitalist society until we don't, we don't at the moment in fact you would probably say we never have. Banks fail in 2008, a true capitalist society would let them fail. Businesses fail in 2020 and almost certainly in 2021 due to Brexit and Covid the government steps in. Government fling money at the army, not to preserve capitalism but to improve polling with your base voters. The things you mention aren't going to be brought in or addressed because it's not what the voters want, sadly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, 101 said: Considering in California killing the prisoner is 18x more expensive than life without parole then it's not about cost. We live in a capitalist society until we don't, we don't at the moment in fact you would probably say we never have. Banks fail in 2008, a true capitalist society would let them fail. Businesses fail in 2020 and almost certainly in 2021 due to Brexit and Covid the government steps in. Government fling money at the army, not to preserve capitalism but to improve polling with your base voters. The things you mention aren't going to be brought in or addressed because it's not what the voters want, sadly. It’s crazy that killing someone costs 18x more than life imprisonment and no-one questions this. Why is it 18x more expensive? Is that lawyers fees? Electricity doesn’t cost that much. If lethal injection costs that much, bullets and rope are cheap. If we’re not a capitalist society, what type of society do you think we are? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, 101 said: Considering in California killing the prisoner is 18x more expensive than life without parole then it's not about cost. We live in a capitalist society until we don't, we don't at the moment in fact you would probably say we never have. Banks fail in 2008, a true capitalist society would let them fail. Businesses fail in 2020 and almost certainly in 2021 due to Brexit and Covid the government steps in. Government fling money at the army, not to preserve capitalism but to improve polling with your base voters. The things you mention aren't going to be brought in or addressed because it's not what the voters want, sadly. You're confusing capitalism with free market. Capitalism pretends it wants free markets when it suits capital but otherwise rigs the state to intervene on behalf of capitalism. Not too sure what capitalism has to do with the death penalty directly though; the soviets and chinese were quite keen and weren't very capitalist. The Yanks love it and we were very keen during our Victorian uber capitalist phase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scary Bear said: Why is it 18x more expensive? Is that lawyers fees? Electricity doesn’t cost that much. If lethal injection costs that much, bullets and rope are cheap. If we’re not a capitalist society, what type of society do you think we are? It's like procurement for the oil industry. As soon as suppliers know, the price goes up. If someone phones from Barlinnie and says the need a rope, the price rockets. Edited November 21, 2020 by Sergeant Wilson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 With regards to the miscarriage of justice issue, why not just give the death sentence to the judge and jury if they are later found out to have got it wrong ? Seems fair and would surely cut the number of wrongful convictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Scary Bear said: I’m amazed some Farage-type politician hasn’t been campaigning for a referendum on capital punishment. Just keep saying “paedos” and “child killers” and it’s a winner with the Facebook crowd. Even the normal punters won’t want to stick their head above the parapet. I mean, who wants to be seen as a supporter of paedos and child killers? I'd be willing to bet that within the next 10 years there will be a UKIP/Brexit/BNP right wing party that has this in their manifesto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: I'd be willing to bet that within the next 10 years there will be a UKIP/Brexit/BNP right wing party that has this in their manifesto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Scary Bear said: It’s crazy that killing someone costs 18x more than life imprisonment and no-one questions this. Why is it 18x more expensive? Is that lawyers fees? Electricity doesn’t cost that much. If lethal injection costs that much, bullets and rope are cheap. If we’re not a capitalist society, what type of society do you think we are? No idea it was on deathpenatly.org it seemed high but as they are the main campaigner against the death penalty I assume they haven't made it up. It could be that the death row inmates cost more to guard and keep before the get killed than it costs to look after regular lifers. Pretty sure only Lethal Injection, Lethal inhalation and electrocution are the ways used in the states. We probably are a capitalist society just a very shit one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: I'd be willing to bet that within the next 10 years there will be a UKIP/Brexit/BNP right wing party that has this in their manifesto. The current home secretary is a fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 59 minutes ago, 101 said: No idea it was on deathpenatly.org it seemed high but as they are the main campaigner against the death penalty I assume they haven't made it up. It could be that the death row inmates cost more to guard and keep before the get killed than it costs to look after regular lifers. Pretty sure only Lethal Injection, Lethal inhalation and electrocution are the ways used in the states. We probably are a capitalist society just a very shit one. It's the lawyers' pay for all the appeals plus the extra high security for 30 odd years sometimes I'd imagine. Can't have people cheating old sparky by checking out early. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Snobot said: This reminds me of this:- And this:- Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuustiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 hours ago, welshbairn said: Facebook mums. Celebrity chefs. Lorry drivers. A jury of their peers, fellow murderers. Serious answer: Nobody. If it's truly a jury of their peers, should it not be 15 paedos in the jury box in a paedo trial? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Scary Bear said: It’s crazy that killing someone costs 18x more than life imprisonment and no-one questions this. Why is it 18x more expensive? Is that lawyers fees? Electricity doesn’t cost that much. If lethal injection costs that much, bullets and rope are cheap. If we’re not a capitalist society, what type of society do you think we are? You have to factor in costs of loads of appeals etc etc etc plus other shit I can't remember just now. It's the process, not the method Edited November 21, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, TheScarf said: I watched that episode the other night. Came on here to post that. The entire "Oirish" bit in that episode is hilarious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: If it's truly a jury of their peers, should it not be 15 paedos in the jury box in a paedo trial? Aye, should be like Strictly, marks out of 10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Nevermind death penalty; I'd ethnically cleanse Paisley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Needs updating to have someone hanging from the tree 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I'd kill everyone who uses speaker phone when taking a single call. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Slenderman said: Nevermind death penalty; I'd ethnically cleanse Paisley. If anywhere needs cleansing it's your manky metropolis. Edited November 21, 2020 by Arch Stanton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: If it's truly a jury of their peers, should it not be 15 paedos in the jury box in a paedo trial? Some juries I've seen it might well have been .. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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