Sergeant Wilson Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, jagsfan57 said: 90% ? At least 2 out of 10 are part time ? Does anybody know the breakdown of L1&L2 players other jobs ? How would that information be gathered and why? It might be vaguely interesting to mugs like us, but I can't see any official use for that. There used to be loads of part time players in the civil service because it was easy and you got plenty of time off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 On 17/02/2021 at 23:49, roman_bairn said: Don’t disagree. So when are we binning the Championship?… I'm all for them binning the Championship, it should never have started in the first place. The Championship is a professional rather than a semi-professional league, which is why the SG and other authorities make a distinction though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Phoenix Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, virginton said: I'm all for them binning the Championship, it should never have started in the first place. The Championship is a professional rather than a semi-professional league, which is why the SG and other authorities make a distinction though. Don't disagree but in fairness, the SG didn't make a distinction until the SFA made it easy for them by calling a halt to SPFL1 & 2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Phoenix said: Don't disagree but in fairness, the SG didn't make a distinction until the SFA made it easy for them by calling a halt to SPFL1 & 2. Because the SFA had of course no prior communication whatsoever with the SG, before making that decision all by themselves. The game was up for the previous 'elite sport' exemption when Sturgeon was ambushed at a daily press conference with a question about why non-league teams should be allowed to traipse all around the country for the Scottish Cup, when at the same time the government was imposing travel restrictions on the public through most of the Central Belt. It's quite clear from her answer that she had no firm idea that Scottish football authorities had taken the category of 'elite' and stretched it all the way down to the East of Scotland conference leagues. The post-Christmas lockdown simply added an imperative for the SFA to knock all that nonsense on the head, or have it done for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: 90% of the Championship are full time teams and won't have players working in factories, supermarkets and sites. Do L1 & L2 teams really believe they have a chance of getting this going? The thing is though, it's not like part time players are going to these factories, supermarkets or sites and NOT adhering to very specific COVID regulations. Yes there's an increased risk of them catching the virus simply because they are in more places and in the vicinity of more people but I'm not sure the risk is so significant that it's ridiculous to suggest games could go ahead. Cases are lower than when we started the season in October, we have very effective treatments/vaccines and fit guys between the ages of 18-34 are unlikely to put any strain on the NHS if they do get it. I genuinely think the proposal was reasonable and I'm disappointed with how things have turned out. Potentially no football for us until August now, if they even let us go ahead then. Utter pish and you can't blame the clubs for trying to get things going again. Anyway, isn't testing guys who are doing essential jobs like working in supermarkets a good thing? Surely that's less chance of a spread at that work place too if they're being tested. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Moonster said: The thing is though, it's not like part time players are going to these factories, supermarkets or sites and NOT adhering to very specific COVID regulations. I've personally seen a factory be reported for failures in relation to covid policy and be told nobody will come out - because of covid. They were sent a letter and told to buck up. If you're to read the covid thread in this very forum then you'd see a helluva lot of people complain about folk in supermarkets not adhering and how selfish they are. I'm not against the leagues restarting - far from it. It's clear to see why the SG wouldn't want it and I doubt many, if any, of the teams could afford it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Moonster said: The thing is though, it's not like part time players are going to these factories, supermarkets or sites and NOT adhering to very specific COVID regulations. Yes there's an increased risk of them catching the virus simply because they are in more places and in the vicinity of more people but I'm not sure the risk is so significant that it's ridiculous to suggest games could go ahead. Cases are lower than when we started the season in October, we have very effective treatments/vaccines and fit guys between the ages of 18-34 are unlikely to put any strain on the NHS if they do get it. I genuinely think the proposal was reasonable and I'm disappointed with how things have turned out. Potentially no football for us until August now, if they even let us go ahead then. Utter pish and you can't blame the clubs for trying to get things going again. Anyway, isn't testing guys who are doing essential jobs like working in supermarkets a good thing? Surely that's less chance of a spread at that work place too if they're being tested. Yes, that’s why it’s so utterly depressing that they knocked back the testing proposal. Testing these guys once/twice per week actually HELPS efforts to curb the spread. Guys who’d be a asymptomatic or suffer very mild symptoms, who may go about their daily lives basically not knowing they had it, whereas if tested they’d be able to isolate, not spreading it in their other workplaces to guys who possibly aren’t as fit as them. It’s all about optics though, still. As Ton says you just can’t be seen to have part timers swanning around from Annan to Inverness when the message is “stay at home. About a year into this and it’s still optics over substance. Extremely frustrating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. Alli said: I've personally seen a factory be reported for failures in relation to covid policy and be told nobody will come out - because of covid. They were sent a letter and told to buck up. If you're to read the covid thread in this very forum then you'd see a helluva lot of people complain about folk in supermarkets not adhering and how selfish they are. I'm not against the leagues restarting - far from it. It's clear to see why the SG wouldn't want it and I doubt many, if any, of the teams could afford it. Well I've been working in a factory the whole time and we've had 1 guy go off with COVID the whole time and we've even had a visit from the HSE to confirm we've got everything in place. Some places are shit, some places are good, but we've got rules that should be followed and saying "aye but you might not follow the rules" doesn't really wash for me. Full time players have continually broken rules throughout this, one guy flying out on holiday, ignoring quarantine rules then travelling to and playing against Kilmarnock the next day. Others heading out on the piss, others having house parties. I'd say there's far more risk in things like that than stacking shelves within a metre of someone whilst wearing a mask and gloves. Part time clubs have had to pay wages for about 3 months of the last 12 and have been handed over £200K in funding/grants (more in some cases where fan fundraisers have taken place). Of course they can afford it, which is why they've proposed it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dougie Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 The whole part time v full time thing is a bit misleading. The full time players are still going home to their families etc, some of whom will have been out working in various different workplaces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Part time clubs have had to pay wages for about 3 months of the last 12 and have been handed over £200K in funding/grants (more in some cases where fan fundraisers have taken place). Of course they can afford it, which is why they've proposed it. Testing will cost about £2,500 per round. 3 times a week that's £7,500. If League 1 and 2 clubs can afford that - as well as wages and seeing themselves through the off season then best of luck to them in their quest. You're right about factories - some are good and some are bad. I'd wager more on the bad side now to keep the doors open. When did you get the visit from HSE out of interest? Neither them, the union, the FSA nor the Council's building standards team have been in to my factory citing covid as the main reason they won't send anybody. They'll happily meet in their offices though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Big Dougie said: The whole part time v full time thing is a bit misleading. The full time players are still going home to their families etc, some of whom will have been out working in various different workplaces. ^^^ Good evening and welcome to Mastermind. Tonight's first contestant is Big Dougie, specialised subject, The Bleeding Obvious... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, Mr. Alli said: Testing will cost about £2,500 per round. 3 times a week that's £7,500. If League 1 and 2 clubs can afford that - as well as wages and seeing themselves through the off season then best of luck to them in their quest. You're right about factories - some are good and some are bad. I'd wager more on the bad side now to keep the doors open. When did you get the visit from HSE out of interest? Neither them, the union, the FSA nor the Council's building standards team have been in to my factory citing covid as the main reason they won't send anybody. They'll happily meet in their offices though. The Championship are not testing 3 times a week, they're testing once on a Thursday. Can't remember when the visit was exactly, probably around September/October time last year. They just turned up at the door one day and asked to carry out an inspection. They'd told us they'd been visiting a factory in our estate and decided to carry out checks at the other factories whilst here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dougie Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: ^^^ Good evening and welcome to Mastermind. Tonight's first contestant is Big Dougie, specialised subject, The Bleeding Obvious... So it’s not relevant in the context of the conversation in the last few posts? It was pointed out by a couple of posters that part time players working in factories were more susceptible, the same goes for full time players in many regards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: ^^^ Good evening and welcome to Mastermind. Tonight's first contestant is Big Dougie, specialised subject, The Bleeding Obvious... I'd say his pitch is appropriate for the thread. We're discussing the covid compliance of factories & supermarkets yet no one knows if any part time L1 players actually work in the fuckers tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Dougie said: So it’s not relevant in the context of the conversation in the last few posts? It was pointed out by a couple of posters that part time players working in factories were more susceptible, the same goes for full time players in many regards. 2 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said: I'd say his pitch is appropriate for the thread. We're discussing the covid compliance of factories & supermarkets yet no one knows if any part time L1 players actually work in the fuckers tbh. It's a joke, relax, although it has been covered quite a bit in this and other threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, wee_bairn said: Just curious as to what you have seen / worked in. As stated, I work in one that has been reported a couple of times (and has seen an employee sacked due to it - long story short they dredged up a load of mistakes - that everyone has made and not punished for - and piled them against him as a reason to get rid. It was just after he openly admitted reporting them funnily enough. Case ongoing.) There have been numerous other cases in the local news in Dundee of factories where strikes etc have had to happen. Maybe it's just a Dundee thing. Certainly some of our biggest customers seem to be very good with employees and H&S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Does anyone care?Maybe nobody cares, but it is very relevant in determining whether league1 and league 2 is actually riskier. The justification for stopping these leagues was the additional risk of players possibly taking the infection from workplace to training. If these players are working from home or furloughed then the risk is reduced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 It's about levels of risk, not, as some are doing, shrieking that all risks should be treated the same. If folk still aren't getting that then they're either deliberately ignoring it to suit their arguments or are a bit of a moron. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Dougie said: The whole part time v full time thing is a bit misleading. The full time players are still going home to their families etc, some of whom will have been out working in various different workplaces. The distinction has got nothing to do with 'risk of having the virus' and I'm not sure why this red herring persists. You'd think that after having the 'but we'll test!' pledge dinghied people would have worked it out. Full-time professional football is a sole occupation which employees must travel to their workplace to carry out - subject, of course, to extra precautions. Part-time, semi-professional football from League One all the way down to the East of Scotland is not. There is no need for these groups to be travelling and interacting in the middle of a national lockdown and so the leagues are suspended for that reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Mr. Alli said: What is "oooft" about three examples of places where workers are still having to go in and mix, exactly? Straight out of the condescending Sportscene commentator's handbook. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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