Tory Lies, Corruption and Hypocrisy- Add Them Here

[sparky88]

Which gay Tory MP will come out and uncle Tom this? I'm going to go with Dehenna Davison.

[oneteaminglasgow]

Dunno about you but If I was concerned about asylum seekers not fully integrating into society, I probably wouldn’t ban them from working or studying, and force them to live in a big barge (or disused army barracks or whatever) away from everyone else. Maybe that’s just me though. 

[Brother Blades]

The UK could take some decent hints from the youth of Ayr, the entire country needs set ablaze, it’s a fucking disgrace of a country. 

The further to the right, Braverman & her ilk move, the further to the right the entire political structure lurches. 

The eventual outcome will inevitably be her declaring herself unsuitable for Britishness & condemning herself to death. 

[Leith Green]

6 hours ago, scottsdad said:

It's all about the post-election leadership campaign. Braverman and Badenoch will spend the next year outdoing each other in the nastiness scale as this is the path to leadership. 

Put money on one or both playing the "how can we be racist, look at the colour of our skin" card shortly.

Awful, awful people.

[Salvo Montalbano]

Braverman saying that multiculturalism isn't working in Britain when she is in the cabinet, the daughter of immigrants from Mauritius and Kenya, from a household with Hindu and Christian patents (and she is a Buddhist herslef) and is married to a Jewish man all at the same time that a Hindu is Prime Minister is certainly up there in the "whatthefuck" standings.

[doulikefish]

Jostling for the top job when Rishi gets punted and setting the narrative for the next general election because they don't want to talk about anything else

[welshbairn]

1300 people claimed asylum on the basis of being persecuted because of their sexual orientation last year, hardly a number to make you want to withdraw from international treaties. We can file that with Rishi's 7 bins. 

[Leith Green]

 

No surprise this has been issued just after Bravermans ludicrous speech.

[O'Kelly Isley III]

1 hour ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

Braverman saying that multiculturalism isn't working in Britain when she is in the cabinet, the daughter of immigrants from Mauritius and Kenya, from a household with Hindu and Christian patents (and she is a Buddhist herslef) and is married to a Jewish man all at the same time that a Hindu is Prime Minister is certainly up there in the "whatthefuck" standings.

You forgot that she is also a witch.

[welshbairn]

2 hours ago, Leith Green said:

 

No surprise this has been issued just after Bravermans ludicrous speech.

The worrying thing is if a vote to exclude LGBT+ from the refugee convention is held in the UN General Assembly, it might well win. There's a reason why she announced it In Washington rather than London. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

10 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:

You forgot that she is also a witch.

Evil witch.

[Granny Danger]

Sadly I see no resolution to the immigration issue, and like or not for many of the UK electorate it is an issue.

There are a number of different issues - legal migration, illegal migration including the small boats and asylum.  There is overlap but a coherent policy requires distinct issues to be addressed and IMO the politicisation is making that task more difficult.

I really don’t see an incoming Labour government having the will to break it down into its constituent parts and have a realistic yet compassionate solution.  

[Florentine_Pogen]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/26/smirking-suella-trashes-70-years-of-human-rights-in-30-minutes

"Call the US jaunt a win-win for Suella Braverman. Trying to get the rest of the world to ditch its obligations to the 1951 UN refugee convention was always a long shot, but there was the off chance that UK voters would be confused enough to imagine the home secretary was on top of the small boats chaos. More to the point, Braverman got to imitate a global player ahead of this weekend’s Conservative party conference.

No bad thing, when there might be a vacancy for a new leader within a year or so. There’s nothing the Tory right love more than someone who bounces around their own echo chamber. And here was Suella out-Kemiing Kemi. Imagining she was saying the things that cannot be said, when really all she was doing was cynically stoking a culture war. Not to mention blaming her own failures on international agreements. No matter. Braverman will say anything, do anything, to secure the Tory leadership. Though if Suella is the answer, the Tories should urgently ask themselves what exactly the question is."

[scottsdad]

The worst part of this was the language. Refugees are fleeing persecution. Yet Braverman claims that they are fleeing discrimination, which is far less serious. 

[Theyellowbox]

22 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Dunno about you but If I was concerned about asylum seekers not fully integrating into society, I probably wouldn’t ban them from working or studying, and force them to live in a big barge (or disused army barracks or whatever) away from everyone else. Maybe that’s just me though. 

Exactly this. On the one had, bemoan the lack of integration and on the other but every possible barrier up to integration, while at the same time, attempt to make people fear them.

Interestingly, compared to England, Scotland has a far more integrated imigration population and completely correlated has a more positive attitude to imigration.

Yes, there are whole areas of say north west English towns that have little integration either way, but that is a massive failure of generations of policies.

The UK clusters various groups of peoples and then wonders why they don't integrate or others treat them with suspicion. For every Suella Braverman and Rishi Sunek who grew up in integrated societies and schooling, there are dozens/hundreds of 2nd/3rd generation immigrants who do not and whose interactions with others outside their own community is disproportionately negative.

The argument over small boat migrants isn't actually an argument over small boat migrants, it's over a very fragmented society of which, despite their ethnicities, the likes of Braverman and Sunek have absolutely no idea. To them, it might be boats, to those actually listening and agreeing with them, it is something else entirely and that is very dangerous. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by Theyellowbox

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

8 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said:

Interestingly, compared to England, Scotland has a far more integrated imigration population and completely correlated has a more positive attitude the imigration.

This can't be right. Kelvin McKenzie insists that SNP Jockistan is full of no-go ghettos where white indigenous Brits dare to set foot.

[Pocketman]

Mogg. Knighthood. Sigh. 

[Frank Quitely]

42 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said:

Exactly this. On the one had, bemoan the lack of integration and on the other but every possible barrier up to integration, while at the same time, attempt to make people fear them.

Interestingly, compared to England, Scotland has a far more integrated imigration population and completely correlated has a more positive attitude to imigration.

Yes, there are whole areas of say north west English towns that have little integration either way, but that is a massive failure of generations of policies.

The UK clusters various groups of peoples and then wonders why they don't integrate or others treat them with suspicion. For every Suella Braverman and Rishi Sunek who grew up in integrated societies and schooling, there are dozens/hundreds of 2nd/3rd generation immigrants who do not and whose interactions with others outside their own community is disproportionately negative.

The argument over small boat migrants isn't actually an argument over small boat migrants, it's over a very fragmented society of which, despite their ethnicities, the likes of Braverman and Sunek have absolutely no idea. To them, it might be boats, to those actually listening and agreeing with them, it is something else entirely and that is very dangerous. 

Scotland would do well to avoid any complacency, as the levels of immigration are proportionally less than other areas of the UK and we simply don't how attitudes would be should that situation alter dramatically in times to come.

As such, whilst levels of overt racism may unfortunately be much more evident in England, I have no doubt that the so far individual cases up here could easily develop into something much worse should the societal mix alter significantly.

As for a fragmented society, that has been a global pattern over centuries.  Resident populations are wary and fearful of incomers, and the latter often form 'societies' in geographic areas based on ethnic, cultural and religious background.  New York is a good example of how the 'melting pot' theory takes a long time to achieve.

Tolerance itself won't achieve integration and harmony, it must be accompanied by economic opportunity, educational attainment and fairness for all.  But that also requires immigrants to participate fully and for the uniform application of the rule of law.

Britain is failing dismally on this critique.  At one end of the spectrum we have right-wing hatred straight from the 1930's masquerading as Government policy, and at the other a failure to root out hatred-inspiring crimes like grooming gangs.  

[oneteaminglasgow]

34 minutes ago, Frank Quitely said:

the other a failure to root out hatred-inspiring crimes like grooming gangs.  

Not wanting to have a go at you, but this is a deeply off thing to say. Leaving aside the fact that “grooming gangs” in itself is a dog whistle term, I don’t think it should be incumbent upon anyone to root out problematic behaviour within immigrant communities any more than they would in non-immigrant communities.

Also, if you see, for example, child sexual abuse by some men of Pakistani origin, and that inspires hatred towards all men of Pakistani origin, do you not think that that maybe says something about you or the way in which the media have reported the crime, as opposed to saying something about the wider Pakistani community? 

[Theyellowbox]

46 minutes ago, Frank Quitely said:

Scotland would do well to avoid any complacency, as the levels of immigration are proportionally less than other areas of the UK and we simply don't how attitudes would be should that situation alter dramatically in times to come.

As such, whilst levels of overt racism may unfortunately be much more evident in England, I have no doubt that the so far individual cases up here could easily develop into something much worse should the societal mix alter significantly.

As for a fragmented society, that has been a global pattern over centuries.  Resident populations are wary and fearful of incomers, and the latter often form 'societies' in geographic areas based on ethnic, cultural and religious background.  New York is a good example of how the 'melting pot' theory takes a long time to achieve.

Tolerance itself won't achieve integration and harmony, it must be accompanied by economic opportunity, educational attainment and fairness for all.  But that also requires immigrants to participate fully and for the uniform application of the rule of law.

Britain is failing dismally on this critique.  At one end of the spectrum we have right-wing hatred straight from the 1930's masquerading as Government policy, and at the other a failure to root out hatred-inspiring crimes like grooming gangs.  

I think you are right to flag that Scotland shouldn't get complacent, but one of the things that sets Scotland apart from a lot of England is the flow and integration of imigration. For example, in Scotland, we have had multiple periods of Polish imigration. During WW2, many Polish soldiers remained here and married into Scottish families, proportionately more than other parts of the UK yor geographical reasons. When the next 'wave' of Poles arrived in the first decade of this century, many already had extended 2nd/3rd generation Scots here already and so tended to integrate a little more than the did in other parts of the UK.

See also Asian imigration. There is no solely Asian areas in Scotland in the same way you might see in say Bradford or Bolton. Any first generation Asians arriving in Scotland now, will not have an 'area' they are placed or drawn to and what 2nd/3rd/4th generation Asian heritage Scots they do encounter, will be very well integrated into Scottish society.

This 'slow drip' on imigration into Scotland means we don't have the same issues as England and probably means the same blunt tools on imigration policy don't apply here.

Using the new york example, the centuries of different waves of mass migration, English, Dutch, German, southern states, Irish, Italian and Hispanic has pretty much all been met with hysteria over 'too much imigration' from the previous wave of immigrants. This is exactly what Braverman is doing here and Trump is doing in the states. 'My recent relatives imigration was OK, but we are full now'.....