Miguel Sanchez Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, RH33 said: Was there not on referendum on introducing PR to Westminster votes. Suppose I could go Google but I voted in is so narrows it down to post Sept 2000. 2011. 67.9% against. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, RH33 said: Was there not on referendum on introducing PR to Westminster votes. Suppose I could go Google but I voted in is so narrows it down to post Sept 2000. 2 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: 2011. 67.9% against. It’s slowly coming back. It wasn’t technically PR that was rejected but the AV (?) system of PR. If we’d had a brexit style choice where yes votes were for whatever the voter hoped would happen then it might have been different. but the people had their say. So guess that’s that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Ah I didn't remember that it was a specific for of PR we voted on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 minute ago, RH33 said: Ah I didn't remember that it was a specific for of PR we voted on. IIRC the Lib Dems backtracked on every other policy they had to get the referendum as part of the "coalition" deal. And even then, the proposal wasn't even close to what they had argued for in their GE Manifesto 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 The 2011 referendum wasn't much of anything. It kept FPTP but changed the rules a wee bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 You will never know the names of ex tory MP's who lobbied for nuclear, gambling and energy industries visiting westminster parliament because Jacob Rees Mogg had all the data destroyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawpar Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, ForzaViola said: My memory of this is pretty vague but I'm sure the Lib Dems agreed to vote with the Tories on the punitive Welfare Reform bill in exchange for the carrier bag tax. Didn't they fold on student loans or tuition fees or similar in exchange for the PR vote? Aye, Nick Clegg is a duplicitous arsehole. He didn't have principles but he sold out the party's principles for a tiny bit of power. Now he's the acceptable face of Facebook or the guy they trot out in front of Government committees. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackislekillie Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 They're selling off the land acquired for HS2 at a loss which will prevent an incoming government reviving the project. No doubt prospective buyers have already been identified among their donors, hedge fund mates and others desperate to get their snouts in another trough of public money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Surprised that the fact they got their arses well and truly kicked in the by-elections hasn't been mentioned more. Tamworth and Mid Bedfordshire by-elections 'one of worst nights any government has endured' - BBC News 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The patsy sent out to do the Fri morning tv rounds was claiming Labour only won due to the Tory vote staying at home. He then went on to say it was a "worrying" night for Labour as their total votes gained only increased by a few hundred since the GE. The arrogance and ignorance of these fuckers knows no bounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I just heard a phone in on Radio 4. Not sure i've heard such a thing before. Anyway, they were speaking to Tory voters about the by election and the Tories. They were all really old and quite confused. One guy admitted he hadn't actually voted Tory since Thatcher stopped school milk, one wanted to criticise Rishi for slashing the aid budget and causing tens of thousands of deaths in the developing world but was "true blue and will always vote Conservative" and one was disappointed because, "like everyone else" she voted for brexit "for common sense reasons to cut emissions by growing our own fruit and fishing our own waters." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Suggestion that Jeremy C*nt is to stand down rather than face a ‘Portillo moment’. Rats and sinking ships. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Even in the world of Tory sleazy, sadistic bullying MPs the latest revelations about Peter Bone take the biscuit, another by-election in the offing? Spare us devout MPs like Peter Bone. If we ever had faith in them, it is long gone | Catherine Bennett | The Guardian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, btb said: Even in the world of Tory sleazy, sadistic bullying MPs the latest revelations about Peter Bone take the biscuit, another by-election in the offing? Spare us devout MPs like Peter Bone. If we ever had faith in them, it is long gone | Catherine Bennett | The Guardian Love this bit. Bone says the misconduct allegations are “false and untrue” and also from a short period “more than 10 years ago”. In other words, it never happened and anyway it was only briefly and a long time ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, GordonD said: Love this bit. Bone says the misconduct allegations are “false and untrue” and also from a short period “more than 10 years ago”. In other words, it never happened and anyway it was only briefly and a long time ago. When he was sixty one. I for one support age related sentencing mitigations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) When the GE comes and this bunch of liars and frauds are jettisoned from government, they should never see the light of day in a public setting again. We all know they will get lovely jobs from doners, but if they are seen as toxic to even them, then hopefully we never need to see them again. I know the comparison to the 1997 GE are often drawn and the wave of optimism dismissed. However, I can see over the next 10 months or so the momentum of positivity really starting to gather behind Labour. Conversely, probably a good thing for SNP if Labour are seen to be doing well in rest of UK. Scottish voters can vote for SNP, either in protest or for cause, safe in the knowledge not voting Labour won't lead to another Tory Government. Small aside I haven't really seen mentioned elsewhere, bit the assumption of the Tories dragging it out until the last moment for a GE actually might not be able to pass. Given the US election is fixed and will be close, then November (and probably October) will be a no no so there is no overlap. Post November also unlikely as they will want to avoid Christmas and given how the last US election went, it will probably be a Sh1tshow afterwards. All probably points to a late Summer GE. Only issue with that is June-mid Sept is a write off for holidays and Olympics/Paralympics. All, therefore, realistically, points to a May/Early June election. I'd put pretty decent money on it being 23 May, 30 May or 6th June. Any later than that and it clashes with the Euros. Edited October 22, 2023 by Theyellowbox 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: When the GE comes and this bunch of liars and frauds are jettisoned from government, they should never see the light of day in a public setting again. We all know they will get lovely jobs from doners, but if they are seen as toxic to even them, then hopefully we never need to see them again. I know the comparison to the 1997 GE are often drawn and the wave of optimism dismissed. However, I can see over the next 10 months or so the momentum of positivity really starting to gather behind Labour. Conversely, probably a good thing for SNP if Labour are seen to be doing well in rest of UK. Scottish voters can vote for SNP, either in protest or for cause, safe in the knowledge not voting Labour won't lead to another Tory Government. Small aside I haven't really seen mentioned elsewhere, bit the assumption of the Tories dragging it out until the last moment for a GE actually might not be able to pass. Given the US election is fixed and will be close, then November (and probably October) will be a no no so there is no overlap. Post November also unlikely as they will want to avoid Christmas and given how the last US election went, it will probably be a Sh1tshow afterwards. All probably points to a late Summer GE. Only issue with that is June-mid Sept is a write off for holidays and Olympics/Paralympics. All, therefore, realistically, points to a May/Early June election. I'd put pretty decent money on it being 23 May, 30 May or 6th June. Any later than that and it clashes with the Euros. Unless there’s any kind of polling bounce for the Conservatives they’ll just run it right down to the end. The last possible Thursday is 23rd January 2025 so I’d assume that might be it. If the economy is looking good and the winter weather is bad (which will lead to fewer small boats crossing the channel), that could drive a bit of a polling boost for the Tories which could motivate a snap election in the spring. I can’t see it though. Sunak will only go early if he thinks he can win and absolutely nothing about the Conservative Party at the moment suggests anything other than them being resigned to defeat and a spell in opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Donathan said: Unless there’s any kind of polling bounce for the Conservatives they’ll just run it right down to the end. The last possible Thursday is 23rd January 2025 so I’d assume that might be it. If the economy is looking good and the winter weather is bad (which will lead to fewer small boats crossing the channel), that could drive a bit of a polling boost for the Tories which could motivate a snap election in the spring. I can’t see it though. Sunak will only go early if he thinks he can win and absolutely nothing about the Conservative Party at the moment suggests anything other than them being resigned to defeat and a spell in opposition. Historically, the Tories (and most others) have aimed to avoid winter elections as it results in lower turnouts. For the Tories this time, the damage limitation will be massively dependent on older voters, so they will want to avoid December/January. Throw in the innevitable Trump meltdown if he loses and how bad that eould play for the right, I just dont see an election post the US one. Also an argument that the longer they stay, the worse the defeat will be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 On 17/10/2023 at 09:29, scottsdad said: I'm 44. Tories have been in power for 31 of those 44 years. So I'm not at all excited at the prospect of a Labour government that will last 5-10 years only to be replaced by the Tories for the next 15. I was born in the middle of a GE, 5 days before polling. Heath won. In the last 53 years Labour has been in charge for 18. That's just more than last half century had 35 years of Tory rule ( yes I'm lumping Clegg in there, it all he deserves). Yet if you listened to the MSM or the Tories every ill and woe of the country is due to labour mismanagement. In charge 2/3 of the years of my life and never their fault and they are the ones to fix everything, as we spiral from clown to cretin to self-serving c*nt running the country. Surely someone will realise they breaking the soul of the country as well as its infrastructure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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