ICTChris Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Lofarl said: Did these two family members just torture and kill two random blokes for the sheer hell of it? I can't see any mention for a reason, drug debt etc. Various places have speculated about motive. I read somewhere that the father and son would exploit vulnerable people, steal their possessions and benefit money, both victims were described as vulnerable in court. However, that doesn’t explain why they would go from doing that (if they did it) to doing something like this. There are other rumours as well, that probably can’t and shouldn’t be repeated. I think if there was a motive it would have been said in court, from the look of it the father and son just decided to brutally torture two guys to death, planned it out and did it. The Sun quotes the note they left in the flat, written by Dean Macleod it said Quote What we done was evil and sadistic but I have pleaded for help for decades. Na f--- you'z, pitty I wasn't the same man as back in the day as the targets would've been a better selection and a lot more of them for sure, they 2 were done for petty reasons really. "I am sorry to let anyone down for being so evil but I was just tiered (sic) of being a laughing stock and door mat from pure T pots. Quote He claimed that he adored his father who he described as "a pure warrior of a man". The court heard that following the murders MacLeod junior told a psychiatrist: "I've not always been a bad person. I've got closer to my dad the last few days but he is a narcissist and a sociopath." Father and son both tried to commit suicide after the murders with methadone but failed, obviously. I’m sure I posted this before but Bronco MacLeod is mentioned here, in this salacious article about Edinburgh street gangs. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Crime+Capital%3B+The+street+gangs+of+the+1960s+and+70s+spawned+a+new...-a0130202910 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 That it appears to be completely random makes it even more fucking terrifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 (edited) https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/blowtorch-killer-edinburgh-80s-gang-32547684?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target This thread is now being used as a source for Daily Record crime stories. Might have appeared in the Daily express first - https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/blowtorch-killer-ian-macleod-leith-32545457?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target Edited April 9 by ICTChris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 8 minutes ago, ICTChris said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/blowtorch-killer-edinburgh-80s-gang-32547684?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target "They also burned the letters 'YLT', 'VT' and 'YT' into their bodies with a blowtorch" That's a bit much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 Another one for the classy funeral file. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-robbers-funeral-flowers-feature-29042230?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHSn8RA83aqTcklbMDIiQJzg49qdq_Mg9InU0CQdJTWYWRZWap-wYS76oPg_aem_AXxsqpi9uI_7wYrfYHdz7eq3UzqMHUyvnSsbxWRha2IiiGnxsQHEuf_0b2_ri2YE-BI#lvcixzu79tzuraultl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RawB93 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 That wasn't very Partick Thistle-y of him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, RawB93 said: That wasn't very Partick Thistle-y of him I'm sure he had some Chardonnay and quiche before carrying out such behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 Insight into an organised crime gang through their EncroChat messages. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68857143 Terrible grammar and spelling - didn't EncroChat have an autocorrect function? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH Panda Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Panorama, The Crime Bosses who Terrorised a City: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ysrj via @bbciplayer Follow up to the above, an all time great Panorama on the investigation. A lot to unpack, but as much as TV shows glamorise these individuals - agreed with the post above, they came across as total fannies in these messages. More jumped up neds than Don Carleone. Thomas Cashman gets a brief mention, and some rival gangsters so terrified they offer to sell their house to pay back for a robbery they apparently didn't even commit - much bigger story on that one the documentary didn't go into. Thomas Cashman even gets a mention. Shame the brother got away, some props that no one can even get a picture of him though. The stash house seemed to cover the wall in random nautical pictures whilst a guy chills on the couch after being attacked by a machete and an axe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 hours ago, SH Panda said: Panorama, The Crime Bosses who Terrorised a City: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ysrj via @bbciplayer Follow up to the above, an all time great Panorama on the investigation. A lot to unpack, but as much as TV shows glamorise these individuals - agreed with the post above, they came across as total fannies in these messages. More jumped up neds than Don Carleone. Thomas Cashman gets a brief mention, and some rival gangsters so terrified they offer to sell their house to pay back for a robbery they apparently didn't even commit - much bigger story on that one the documentary didn't go into. Thomas Cashman even gets a mention. Shame the brother got away, some props that no one can even get a picture of him though. The stash house seemed to cover the wall in random nautical pictures whilst a guy chills on the couch after being attacked by a machete and an axe. Is Thomas Cashman mentioned? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendot Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 On 26/04/2024 at 12:21, ICTChris said: Scot Buist on the left, his life's taken a turn for the worst since retiring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 55 minutes ago, greendot said: Scot Buist on the left, his life's taken a turn for the worst since retiring. Cant see the vid, but he was punting drugs round Falkirk whilst he was still playing (allegedly) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH Panda Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Is Thomas Cashman mentioned? Never heard of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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