Donathan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 We don’t have goal line technology in Scotland do we? What is the policy on using VAR to adjudicate goal line disputes when GLT isn’t used? VAR can normally be used in the following circumstances: 1) To determine whether offside or a foul has occurred in the lead up to a goal 2) To determine whether a penalty should be awarded 3) To determine whether a player has committed an offence worthy of a red card 4) To determine if mistaken identity has occurred and the wrong player has received a card However, most competitions that have VAR (e.g., the World Cup, premier league, champions league etc) also use GLT. If you have VAR without GLT then can it be used to determine whether the ball has crossed the line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Sensible decision. I get that it moves things away further from some traditions, but if the technology is there, is used correctly and is affordable, then why would we not bring it in? The standard of officiating in Scotland is truly terrible, so any tool that helps improve that can only be a good thing. The alternative to not having VAR is fans watching pretty much every game from any other country have VAR and teams play in European games with VAR and not domestically. Would end up be a complete mess. Where I do want changes to VAR though is to get rid of the wee lines to check if someone is offside by a millimetre. Maybe Scotland could lead on this and add some kind of buffer here? On the face of it, bringing it in mid season seems stupid, but guessing that coming off the back of the mid season break for the world cup and us all being used to seeing VAR in each game, folk will buy in more. All that aside, I fear we will lose a bit of the spontaneity of celebrating a goal, which will be a sad day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Much is it per club like? It depends on Premiership clubs’ finishing position. Goes from 16.29% of the cost for the champions to 5.63% for 11th and 12th. VAR 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Theyellowbox said: The alternative to not having VAR is fans watching pretty much every game from any other country have VAR and teams play in European games with VAR and not domestically. Would end up be a complete mess. Why would that make a difference? Who cares what other leagues do? 2 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Where I do want changes to VAR though is to get rid of the wee lines to check if someone is offside by a millimetre. Maybe Scotland could lead on this and add some kind of buffer here? All that aside, I fear we will lose a bit of the spontaneity of celebrating a goal, which will be a sad day. You'll be hoping for such changes for a very long time then, as they aren't going to happen any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Another reason against renewing my season ticket. Fucking hate the whole concept of VAR and it will not solve the refereeing problems we have ion Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flash said: It depends on Premiership clubs’ finishing position. Goes from 16.29% of the cost for the champions to 5.63% for 11th and 12th. VAR 67k for bottom club isn’t too bad thought it would be dearer to be honest. But again the fact Celtic And Rangers will only pay about 150k more than bottom club is bit hmmmm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Why would that make a difference? Who cares what other leagues do? Because, you will find that scottish footballs fans to a man, woman and child, will watch some form of football outside Scotland. Natural instinct, will be that if you see it everywhere else, you will eventually expect to see it here. I get that it feels like a big change and a move away from what we know, but it will happen eventually regardless, so best to go with it. If we always had this view, we'd still be playing with rope crossbars, one handed throw in, no backpack rule and no subs. Game has always evolved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I think it’s probably more likely here that football fans, players and managers have an unhealthy attitude to refereeing decisions. particularly over a league season, do refereeing decisions really have a material impact on league placings? I doubt it. Aberdeen have had bad decisions this season but fundamentally we are bad at football and we are where we deserve. It’s an imperfect sport and I’d rather just accept that than investing millions in technology that makes a marginal improvement. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Donathan said: We don’t have goal line technology in Scotland do we? What is the policy on using VAR to adjudicate goal line disputes when GLT isn’t used? VAR can normally be used in the following circumstances: 1) To determine whether offside or a foul has occurred in the lead up to a goal However, most competitions that have VAR (e.g., the World Cup, premier league, champions league etc) also use GLT. If you have VAR without GLT then can it be used to determine whether the ball has crossed the line? Of course it can be used to check whether the ball has crossed the line - VAR is checking for goal/no goal so it is not as narrow as just an offside or a foul, it could be the ball out of play, handball etc as well, anything in the attacking phase of play. Presumably there will be a static camera in line with the goal line which should cover most cases where there is a close call. Funnily enough, there was an incident in the Bundesliga recently where GLT gave a goal but VAR double checked and saw it had not crossed the line! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Sensible decision. I get that it moves things away further from some traditions, but if the technology is there, is used correctly and is affordable, then why would we not bring it in? I’m not having a go here, but can you define ‘using VAR correctly’ please? My feeling would be that referees and the SFA have a very, very different definition for that to the vast majority of fans. Which is where the big problem lies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Whatever the pros and cons the complete disregard for the views of fans who attend matches would be the most galling if I wasn't just immune to it now. I get that TV utterly controls bigger leagues as they completely fund those leagues. The tail is wagging the dog here yet again though. Pay 30 quid to to a game on a Sunday lunch time and wait 5 minutes until we tell you if you can celebrate or not. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Because, you will find that scottish footballs fans to a man, woman and child, will watch some form of football outside Scotland. I don't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: I don't That sounds dull af tbh. Like saying all you eat for dinner every night is egg and chips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Cardle is Magic said: That sounds dull af tbh. Like saying all you eat for dinner every night is egg and chips. It is possible that he has other things in his life than football. Just at a guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 This is the crux of it for me. You see football as “entertainment”. I see it as a competitive sport where the players and teams deserve it to be fairly officiated. I suggest you go to the theatre instead, then you’ll get the drama you want. You don't watch football to be entertained? You must be a barrel of laughs at the game. I would love to see you're reaction the first time the VAR chalks a goal off for your side. While others around go nuts you'll calmly sit down thinking "Settle down lads, that was absolutely fair. Lets all relax". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Because, you will find that scottish footballs fans to a man, woman and child, will watch some form of football outside Scotland. Natural instinct, will be that if you see it everywhere else, you will eventually expect to see it here. I get that it feels like a big change and a move away from what we know, but it will happen eventually regardless, so best to go with it. If we always had this view, we'd still be playing with rope crossbars, one handed throw in, no backpack rule and no subs. Game has always evolved. Who plays football while wearing a backpack? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: I think it’s probably more likely here that football fans, players and managers have an unhealthy attitude to refereeing decisions. particularly over a league season, do refereeing decisions really have a material impact on league placings? I doubt it. Aberdeen have had bad decisions this season but fundamentally we are bad at football and we are where we deserve. It’s an imperfect sport and I’d rather just accept that than investing millions in technology that makes a marginal improvement. I'm maybe getting calmer as I get older - but other than moaning at the time during the game, Refereeing decisions aren't a big deal to me - I don't think anyone is against us (since Craig Thomson retired ) and I don't think we have been mistreated over the piece. I'm actually pretty gutted that VAR has been waved through as I think it will make matchday poorer and I couldn't give a f**k about how the league looks on TV. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardle is Magic Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: It is possible that he has other things in his life than football. Just at a guess. Although extremely less likely considering he's a prolific member of an online forum dedicated to football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Arbroath maybe? Purely for it being an unnecessary and unplanned expense if they were promoted this season.It's not really an unplanned expense when it's coming out of your (massively increased) prize money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cardle is Magic said: Although extremely less likely considering he's a prolific member of an online forum dedicated to football. A Scottish football Forum that is... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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