ICTChris Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 $600m is a gross underestimate of the value of Sibneft. In the mid 1990s Abramovich and Berezovsky bought it for $100m. Abramovich sold it in 2005 for $13.1 BILLION. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, ICTChris said: $600m is a gross underestimate of the value of Sibneft. In the mid 1990s Abramovich and Berezovsky bought it for $100m. Abramovich sold it in 2005 for $13.1 BILLION. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Anyone with a bit of flight training? The Russian airforce awaits.Get that Nonce c*nt Andrew over there.... Allegedly he can fly helicopters and he doesn't sweat so will be cool under fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: 45 minutes ago, Lofarl said: Anyone with a bit of flight training? The Russian airforce awaits. Get that Nonce c*nt Andrew over there.... Allegedly he can fly helicopters and he doesn't sweat so will be cool under fire. He'd need to fly 28 helicopters over to the Ukrainians to settle his court claim for that 17 year old he never met and certainly never shagged. I think the Ruski's would catch on after a few trips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Binos said: Our leaders should start offering to dial back sanctions and arms for Russia stopping warfare and something can be negotiated Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends? If it ends 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@31.6313408,-81.6116015,14z Gave you a green dot. Any diversion to Google Maps is time well spent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Not that I haven't got other things to do, but this afternoon I'm tracking Abramovich's yacht on Marine Traffic. My bet is he's heading for Montenegro, which could be risky even if he has influential pals there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Lofarl said: Anyone with a bit of flight training? The Russian airforce awaits. Would be a bit of a nightmare if you were to fly into Kyiv airport ready to hand over the keys and collect your $1m and you get shot down........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said: Would be a bit of a nightmare if you were to fly into Kyiv airport ready to hand over the keys and collect your $1m and you get shot down........ They'll probably just drive them along the road, nose to tail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends?Not sure about that. Unless there is a regime change and an about face by either Russia or the West then I think this is the reality for the foreseeable future. We've literally seen the return of the cold war, in the space of two weeks, which will take years/decades to unravel. Putin is now toxic and none of the major western government's will want to be seen to be making any kind of deals with him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, MuckleMoo said: 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends? Not sure about that. Unless there is a regime change and an about face by either Russia or the West then I think this is the reality for the foreseeable future. We've literally seen the return of the cold war, in the space of two weeks, which will take years/decades to unravel. Putin is now toxic and none of the major western government's will want to be seen to be making any kind of deals with him That would be an acceptable position considering where we are Every few days the russians up the ante in level of ferocity/lack of humanity on the war front while we pour in the arms The cold war was devoid of a conflict in Europe. It is extremely dangerous and needs de-escalated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Binos said: That would be an acceptable position considering where we are Every few days the russians up the ante in level of ferocity/lack of humanity on the war front while we pour in the arms The cold war was devoid of a conflict in Europe. It is extremely dangerous and needs de-escalated Looking back to the period between 1945 until 1989, it is incredible to think a land war was avoided in Europe. As a child brought up in the 70s (and military “career” was a couple years in the TA on the mid 80’s), it was thought inevitable that we’d have some sort of nuclear war. Even the Yugoslavian/ Balkan’s War was brought about by the passing of Tito and was an ethnic civil war with barely much input by the Soviets or the West from memory. This current conflict is “different gravy” and is probably the most serious threat to a full scale war and possible Armageddon since Cuba, I guess? With any luck there’s a chat going on in some African cafe between Russian and American embassy staff, to ensure Putin “stands down” one way or another! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We pick our battles. There are other conflicts we could have gotten involved with but we chose this one. This is a proxy war for us so if we win the war what do we win? What's the prize? In Iraq we won the oil, what do we win here? Food? Oil? Something else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Agree it needs de-escalated but which country/region do you see doing that? Russia and the West are far too entrenched now to ever back down. Honestly think the only way this is resolved is by the Russians overthrowing Putin from within although by all accounts that's not going to happen any time soom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: We pick our battles. There are other conflicts we could have gotten involved with but we chose this one. This is a proxy war for us so if we win the war what do we win? What's the prize? In Iraq we won the oil, what do we win here? Food? Oil? Something else? Russia winding their fucking necks in a bit. That could prove fairly important long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Day of the Lords said: Russia winding their fucking necks in a bit. That could prove fairly important long term. What else? Are we supplying/giving our weapons to Ukraine or selling them? I reckon there's gold in them hills or we'd be looking the other way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Someone needs to show true leadership and hold out an olive branch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: What else? Are we supplying/giving our weapons to Ukraine or selling them? I reckon there's gold in them hills or we'd be looking the other way. Not really. Ukraine is a massive grain exporter, but this isn't an Iraq type situation. Russian expansionism obviously gives the west the absolute shiters, but so does a potentially escalating war, so giving the Ukrainians the means to defend themselves for long enough for sanctions to turn Russia's economy into a fucking binfire is about the only realistic option. If they hold out long enough, and IF (a big if) sanctions bite hard enough, Putin isn't going to be able to pay his professional soldiers, in which case he's utterly rooked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly boy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said: Honestly think the only way this is resolved is by the Russians overthrowing Putin from within although by all accounts that's not going to happen any time soom News in today Putin ‘sacks eight generals’ in anger at slow progress in Ukraine invasion. So maybe a sacked pissed off general could get the overthrow up and running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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