welshbairn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, welshbairn said: Not that I haven't got other things to do, but this afternoon I'm tracking Abramovich's yacht on Marine Traffic. My bet is he's heading for Montenegro, which could be risky even if he has influential pals there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Lofarl said: Anyone with a bit of flight training? The Russian airforce awaits. Would be a bit of a nightmare if you were to fly into Kyiv airport ready to hand over the keys and collect your $1m and you get shot down........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said: Would be a bit of a nightmare if you were to fly into Kyiv airport ready to hand over the keys and collect your $1m and you get shot down........ They'll probably just drive them along the road, nose to tail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends?Not sure about that. Unless there is a regime change and an about face by either Russia or the West then I think this is the reality for the foreseeable future. We've literally seen the return of the cold war, in the space of two weeks, which will take years/decades to unravel. Putin is now toxic and none of the major western government's will want to be seen to be making any kind of deals with him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, MuckleMoo said: 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Surely there is no need to offer this, as you would imagine the majority of sanctions will be rolled back almost as soon as the conflict ends? Not sure about that. Unless there is a regime change and an about face by either Russia or the West then I think this is the reality for the foreseeable future. We've literally seen the return of the cold war, in the space of two weeks, which will take years/decades to unravel. Putin is now toxic and none of the major western government's will want to be seen to be making any kind of deals with him That would be an acceptable position considering where we are Every few days the russians up the ante in level of ferocity/lack of humanity on the war front while we pour in the arms The cold war was devoid of a conflict in Europe. It is extremely dangerous and needs de-escalated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Binos said: That would be an acceptable position considering where we are Every few days the russians up the ante in level of ferocity/lack of humanity on the war front while we pour in the arms The cold war was devoid of a conflict in Europe. It is extremely dangerous and needs de-escalated Looking back to the period between 1945 until 1989, it is incredible to think a land war was avoided in Europe. As a child brought up in the 70s (and military “career” was a couple years in the TA on the mid 80’s), it was thought inevitable that we’d have some sort of nuclear war. Even the Yugoslavian/ Balkan’s War was brought about by the passing of Tito and was an ethnic civil war with barely much input by the Soviets or the West from memory. This current conflict is “different gravy” and is probably the most serious threat to a full scale war and possible Armageddon since Cuba, I guess? With any luck there’s a chat going on in some African cafe between Russian and American embassy staff, to ensure Putin “stands down” one way or another! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We pick our battles. There are other conflicts we could have gotten involved with but we chose this one. This is a proxy war for us so if we win the war what do we win? What's the prize? In Iraq we won the oil, what do we win here? Food? Oil? Something else? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Agree it needs de-escalated but which country/region do you see doing that? Russia and the West are far too entrenched now to ever back down. Honestly think the only way this is resolved is by the Russians overthrowing Putin from within although by all accounts that's not going to happen any time soom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: We pick our battles. There are other conflicts we could have gotten involved with but we chose this one. This is a proxy war for us so if we win the war what do we win? What's the prize? In Iraq we won the oil, what do we win here? Food? Oil? Something else? Russia winding their fucking necks in a bit. That could prove fairly important long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Day of the Lords said: Russia winding their fucking necks in a bit. That could prove fairly important long term. What else? Are we supplying/giving our weapons to Ukraine or selling them? I reckon there's gold in them hills or we'd be looking the other way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Someone needs to show true leadership and hold out an olive branch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: What else? Are we supplying/giving our weapons to Ukraine or selling them? I reckon there's gold in them hills or we'd be looking the other way. Not really. Ukraine is a massive grain exporter, but this isn't an Iraq type situation. Russian expansionism obviously gives the west the absolute shiters, but so does a potentially escalating war, so giving the Ukrainians the means to defend themselves for long enough for sanctions to turn Russia's economy into a fucking binfire is about the only realistic option. If they hold out long enough, and IF (a big if) sanctions bite hard enough, Putin isn't going to be able to pay his professional soldiers, in which case he's utterly rooked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly boy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, MuckleMoo said: Honestly think the only way this is resolved is by the Russians overthrowing Putin from within although by all accounts that's not going to happen any time soom News in today Putin ‘sacks eight generals’ in anger at slow progress in Ukraine invasion. So maybe a sacked pissed off general could get the overthrow up and running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 UN security council meeting tomorrow at Russians request, apparently to discuss alleged American biological research in Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post williemillersmoustache Posted March 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, 101 said: UN security council meeting tomorrow at Russians request, apparently to discuss alleged American biological research in Ukraine. Strong "handing the SFA an 8 point dossier" vibes from this. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 53 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: What else? Are we supplying/giving our weapons to Ukraine or selling them? I reckon there's gold in them hills or we'd be looking the other way. Cynical as f**k. I agree with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/10/is-priti-patel-vicious-or-stupid-its-a-fine-line-for-ukrainian-refugees "You can only imagine the kompromat that Priti Patel must have on the prime minister. As international development secretary in Theresa May’s government, she had been sacked for going rogue with her own foreign policy. Her flight back to the UK from Kenya had been tracked every bit as closely as those made by Russian oligarchs today. That would have been the end of their career for most politicians. But not Priti Vacant. When Boris Johnson became prime minister, he promoted her to home secretary. Then came the inquiry that found Patel guilty of breaking the ministerial code for bullying staff. That again should have been enough for instant dismissal. Instead The Suspect ordered colleagues to protect “The Prittster” at all costs. And so she survived; to bumble on with her characteristic mix of incompetence and viciousness. No more so than during the current war in Ukraine." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 There is no 'win' for the West in the short to medium term. Reason being that with China in the Russian camp the West can't afford to impose sanctions on the Chinese economy to 'discourage them'. Far too much Western trade and money relies on China. Add in Europe needing at least 5 years minimum to wean itself off Russian oil and gas, and still having to buy from them in the meantime. The only hope is Putin not expanding further into Moldova/the Baltics in the short term, due to sanctions and drain on resources in Ukraine. That's only a temporary pause, but the Iron Curtain is well and truly down again, and will dominate domestic and international politics for some time to come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Priti VacantI want to like the Guardian, but they keep churning out shite like that which belongs on the playground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: I want to like the Guardian, but they keep churning out shite like that which belongs on the playground. It's John Crace's daily sketch piece, he has nicknames for all the major culprities () but I get your point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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