charger29 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Russia Vox Pops asking questions about Bucha: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Russia Vox Pops asking questions about Bucha:General gist from that seems to be if you're a female over 50 it's fake.Mixed responses across the board but the younger generation seem to come across thinking Russia are the aggressors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 4.40 into the second video is revealing. A guy's 93 year old Dad in Ukraine tells him what's going on, and the son thinks it's because his Dad can't watch Russian TV. Sounds like they're not talking anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 The liberation of Nova Basan. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a39651567/nova-basan-ukraine-military-photos/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Yeah, it's debatable whether nukes act as a deterrent to aggression by conventional means. All we have to go on is the fact that nuclear armed states tend to be isolated, or have hoofing great conventional forces that act as a deterrent anyway, so they've not really been subject to invading powers down the years regardless of their nuclear capabilities. The UK had a deterrent in the 80's and it didn't dissuade the Argentinians from occupying the Falklands. Granted, a calculated gamble, but still, an example of a non-nuclear nation aggressing a nuclear armed power. It appears the concept of MAD serves to prevent pre-emptive nuclear strikes, again debatable, but until such time a nuclear power pre-emptively nukes a fellow nuclear armed nation, you have to conclude that it is working. Does having a deployable deterrent absolutely preclude conventional attacks though? If you pushed me, I'd say no. I’d suggest it’s more of a collateral attack not causing a rise to a level of potential nuclear response. The Falklands invasion offered no “threat” to the UK other than the loss of a few sheep, islands, people and prestige. Had they struck Plymouth instead, the calculus changes considerably. If Ukraine had retained nuclear weapons, the Russians would not only be more circumspect with their missile attacks in order to not cause Ukraine to decide that the Russians were attempting to decapitate their nuclear capacity, but would also be more likely to have elected a smaller footprint of attack solely in the East of Ukraine. The presence of a nuclear option for a country pretty much precludes State level actors from attacks that rise to WMD or existential threat levels. It doesn’t stop lower level actions, and actions calculated to not exceed certain thresholds (note, this assumes a rational leader, or leadership, for the assaulted party). That pretty much follows your final conclusion. As for your MAD conclusion, the key element there is, and has always been, the lack of sufficient certainty of result. With nuclear capable systems being relatively “unique” and untested, no matter how “confident” you are in their performance, they have an inherent element of risk that isn’t acceptable given the catastrophic nature of a failure to completely remove a nuclear armed opponents ability to counter-strike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Don't give the Russian cheerleaders ideas "Yeah, they couldn't possibly have killed all those civilians with that particular type of missile, because they've run out, having used their entire stock to clear apartment blocks and school buildings Nazis and imperialists from Mariupol" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 RT Today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 RT Today. Jesus. Their fake news arm is almost as fucking tinpot as their military [emoji23] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Jesus. Their fake news arm is almost as fucking tinpot as their military I love how relentless you appear to be at goading the Russian military with lol emojis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 I love how relentless you appear to be at goading the Russian military with lol emojis.They are exceptionally shite tbf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Several elite brigades have surrendered to @Day of the Lords following his emoji barrage. He now has more tanks than most NATO members. Anyway, Boris Johnson went to Kyiv today and met Zelensky. Wonder if he took some tanks along with him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: RT Today. Some people will believe it though. George Galloway works for them and people take him seriously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Some people will believe it though. George Galloway works for them and people take him seriously. I can't think of a single person who takes him seriously. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: I can't think of a single person who takes him seriously. And now, would you like me to be the cat? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Sweet Pete said: I can't think of a single person who takes him seriously. Which leads me to another point: the reason all the Russian fake news output is so easily debunkable and the reason all their western stooges are so utterly absurd and widely ridiculed is because a) they can't afford the good staff and b) even if they had the rubles for the talent, the talent would say no. So they end up stuck with a whole bunch of comical ali's both in house and abroad. "We slaughtered them at the airport" =/= "We have mostly achieved our initial goals" =/= "I am not Russian state media, stop saying that or I'll sue". The Russian Federation has been thoroughly exposed as little more than a pisspoor dictatorship on a par with the ones we're used to seeing in smaller Latin American and Middle Eastern nations. They're just like Cuba, Nicaragua or Iran but with shitter weather and a larger landmass. They're f**k all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: I can't think of a single person who takes him seriously. He takes himself very seriously... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: He takes himself very seriously... He blocked on Twitter me at Xmas time when he was talking about his daughter being told to “f**k off back to England” during an altercation at a Tesco in Dumfries. The way he was playing the victim card and the type of anti snp shite he was stirring up was horrendous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: He takes himself very seriously... No he doesn't. None of these grifters do. They hope they project seriousness so that some simple soul who feels lost and misunderstood will take them seriously and send them dollars, drachmas, euros, rubles or sterling. He believes in nothing but money. He'd be a prostitute in another life. He'd be a nihilist, but he doesn't have the backbone for it and it doesn't pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Terrapin Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 22 hours ago, Sweet Pete said: Yes, I'm confident they'd gamble (perfectly reasonably) that Ukraine would not have launched nukes into their neighbour in response to a conventional land war. Nukes don't get used. And because they don't get used (because the consequences of use are too far reaching), they cease to become a deterrent. They become moot. A well funded, trained and equipped conventional military where land, sea and air forces are fully cooperative and integrated is a better deterrent against foreign invasion. Nonsense. Nukes are a deterrent. They are the only reason NATO haven't gone full bhoona into providing Ukraine with all the hardware and personnel to combat the fucking madman because he has Nukes at his disposal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Paul Mason and Peter Tatchell led a march today demanding the UK declares war on Russia. Mason should do a George Orwell and join Azov. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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